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To: patriciaruth

I agree with the failure to understand the threat.

My outlook is that the Clinton administration abused its powers without the Patriot Act. He wasn't punished for this abuse. The day a Liberal is convicted of overstepping their constitutional authorities, then I'll consider the Libertarian argument. Until then the fear the Act, which does require oversight from a Judge or other authority, will result in abuse of power doesn't hold any weight with me.

A Republican would not dare violate the act intentionally, even unintentionally, because they'd be impeached. Likely without the Act they couldn't perform even the most most minor of necessary investigations to stop terrorists because Libs and Judges would block them out of spite.

Meanwhile a Liberal Democrat will be excused any violation, Act or not.

The Patriot Act is needed to pursue terrorists because the ability of a Republican administration to pursue the WOT would be obstructed entirely. Just look at what they've attempted with Guantanomo.

The other argument is that the loss of privacy is intolerable. Well, again, the Government can spy on me right now Patriot Act or no. Law abiding officials will at least go to a Judge with cause. Officials not interested in law won't bother with a court order any way.

I guess my point here is that I recognize the idea of 'privacy' is just not realistic in an age with our technology. My neighbor could get hold of all my records, it's ludicrous to believe the Government couldn't or that absence of Patriot Act would prevent someone if they wanted to.


8 posted on 07/21/2005 8:34:11 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Soul Seeker

The Patriot Act is needed to prevent the leftist democrats from blocking and thwarting Bushs policies in regard to the WOT. Look how many voted against it. That says a lot about whos side they are on. Almost 5 years without an attack on our soil just doesn't sit well with democrats. It makes Bush look good and they can't have that continue.


9 posted on 07/21/2005 8:52:36 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (It's the borders stupid! "ALLEN IN 08")
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To: Soul Seeker

The Patriot Act is needed to prevent the leftist democrats from blocking and thwarting Bushs policies in regard to the WOT. Look how many voted against it. That says a lot about whos side they are on. Almost 5 years without an attack on our soil just doesn't sit well with democrats. It makes Bush look good and they can't have that continue.


10 posted on 07/21/2005 8:53:48 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (It's the borders stupid! "ALLEN IN 08")
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To: Soul Seeker
a Liberal Democrat will be excused any violation, Act or not.

Close to my thinking. More exactly. The public will never know about all their abuses of privacy because the MSM will never let on if they get a hint there is abuse going on.

The Dems admit that oversight has not shown the slightest abuse of the Patriot Act by the Bush administration.

17 posted on 07/21/2005 10:44:39 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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