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After losing 880,000 jobs to NAFTA, we're back for more
The Springfield News ^ | Jul 22, 2005 | Peter DeFazio

Posted on 07/23/2005 9:37:00 AM PDT by Willie Green

For education and discussion only. Not for commercial use.

Proponents of so-called "free" trade agreements like the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), which I opposed, have long promised endless riches for U.S. workers, farmers, businesses and economy. They've been wrong on all counts.

Failed U.S. trade policies have led to the export of millions of high-paying American jobs; decline in U.S. living standards; soaring trade deficits; and a significant erosion of U.S. sovereignty to international trade bureaucrats.

Despite this unbroken record of failure, the House is expected to vote before August on an agreement the Bush administration negotiated to expand NAFTA to Central America via the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA). The Senate has already voted to approve the deal. I will vote no. Here's why CAFTA must be defeated.



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1 posted on 07/23/2005 9:37:00 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

Back when the senior Bush was in office pushing NAFTA, the owner of my factory constantly warned us that it would cost jobs.

That factory is closed now BTW.


2 posted on 07/23/2005 9:40:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: cripplecreek

Bush senior also wanted a "new world order." Quote Unquote.


3 posted on 07/23/2005 9:43:33 AM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: Willie Green

Does this mean that DeFazio (ACU Lifetime = 14) is becoming a Buchananite?


4 posted on 07/23/2005 9:48:09 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Willie Green

Now that we are clear about what you don't want, what precisely do you want?
Do you or anyone you know of have an alternative?
Seems that little item is always missing in these 'Hate Bush" treatises.


5 posted on 07/23/2005 9:56:20 AM PDT by CBart95
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To: Willie Green
Statement: "After losing 880,000 jobs to NAFTA, we're back for more"

Response: Absolutely!

Comment: "In declining States the leadership intuitively choses the most harmful course of action..."-A Great Historian 1888.

6 posted on 07/23/2005 9:59:39 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Willie Green

On the History Channel not long ago, they were talking about Hadrian's Wall, and said at the end the barbarians were so desperate to have what Rome represented that they broke the wall down. That's exactly what's going on at our southern border. Rather than stay home and fix things, they want instant gratification. Cross the border and it's yours. Even better, turn it into MegaMexico or MegaEverywherelseSouth. They don't get it that the cultural, social mindset that dooms Mexico and points south will wreck the US, and if they did understand, they wouldn't care.

Yes, CAFTA will flop, for the same reasons NAFTA did. So what do we do? Build Hadrian's Wall? If so, we'd better start now and fortify it.


7 posted on 07/23/2005 10:03:39 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Willie Green

When CAFTA flops, they'll demand we think up something else to bail them out.


8 posted on 07/23/2005 10:04:36 AM PDT by hershey
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To: hershey

since the employment rate is much lower now than before NAFTA was passed... I have no idea how we have somehow lost 800,000 jobs.


9 posted on 07/23/2005 10:06:10 AM PDT by Texas_Conservative2
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To: Texas_Conservative2

Obviously some people who lacked the ability to compete globally were sheltered behind tariff barriers.

These anti-NAFTA bozos think that the American customer owes them a living and should be forced to pay for higher priced goods.


10 posted on 07/23/2005 10:19:10 AM PDT by Jason Kauppinen
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To: hershey

I'm sure people said the same things about Irish immigrants.


11 posted on 07/23/2005 10:25:21 AM PDT by Jason Kauppinen
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To: Texas_Conservative2
"since the employment rate is much lower now than before NAFTA was passed... I have no idea how we have somehow lost 800,000 jobs."

And if the result is higher imports of cheaper goods, isn't that good for our economy and the American consumer? Also, as awful as trade deficits sound, no one has yet proven a harmful long-term effect. An example I read (Thomas Sowell perhaps?) is that, in my personal economy, I run a trade-deficit with my grocer (I buy more from him than he does from me). Is that such a bad thing?

12 posted on 07/23/2005 10:28:30 AM PDT by Be Free
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To: Jason Kauppinen
Obviously some people who lacked the ability to compete globally were sheltered behind tariff barriers.

"Global Competition" is a race to the bottom. It is a code word for "Who will work the cheapest?" Just ask the Mexicans who took our jobs away because they were cheap and compliant (read subjugated*) and have now lost theirs to the Chinese who are even cheaper and more compliant.

*Check out the Mexican labor battles in the cities or the countryside. The ringleaders always seem to be among those "accidentally" killed in the melee.

13 posted on 07/23/2005 10:40:32 AM PDT by Oatka (Hyphenated-Americans have hyphenated-loyalties -- Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: Be Free
is that, in my personal economy, I run a trade-deficit with my grocer (I buy more from him than he does from me). Is that such a bad thing?

We need to know more about your "personal economy" to answer that.
But if you're following Dubya's example, then you obtain your money by gradually mortgaging your home to your grocer. Sooner or later, he'll own the whole thing and your hungry butt will be tossed out on the street. Yes, I would call that a bad thing.

14 posted on 07/23/2005 10:48:10 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer - and some people polka)
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To: Texas_Conservative2

lost 800,000 jobs
manufacturing

gained
Home Depot, Lowes, Dunkin Donuts, McDonalds, Wendys.....


15 posted on 07/23/2005 10:55:03 AM PDT by cp124 (They will buy what we don't make. - Globalist Manifesto)
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To: Willie Green
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce predicted NAFTA would create 170,000 jobs in the U.S.

Really? Over what time frame?

They were a little off. The actual result was a net loss of nearly 880,000 U.S. jobs, including more than 12,000 in Oregon. Looking at the numbers beyond NAFTA, Oregon has lost 40,000 jobs due to failed trade policies since 1994.

Really? Over what time frame? Were the jobs lost the day NAFTA passed? A year later? 5 years later?

CAFTA will be more of the same.

Yeah, cause the predictions of doom and gloom were so correct last time. LOL!!

16 posted on 07/23/2005 10:55:30 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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To: Jason Kauppinen

Obviously some people who didn't want to make 23 cents a week and eat rice 6 days a week to compete globally were sheltered behind tariff barriers.


17 posted on 07/23/2005 10:56:33 AM PDT by cp124 (They will buy what we don't make. - Globalist Manifesto)
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To: Be Free

Your employer runs a huge trade deficit with you.

The benefits of free trade is not matter of debate. Saying that trade is bad is like saying the sky is not blue, that the sun does not rise in the east and set in the west.

Go take a decent economics class if you don't know or understand why trade is good.

There are some legitimate concerns about sovereignty, but there is no valid argument against free trade except for environmental issues.


18 posted on 07/23/2005 10:58:42 AM PDT by foobeca
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To: cp124; A. Pole; hedgetrimmer; Aliska; neutrino; Sam the Sham
Home Depot, Lowes, Dunkin Donuts, McDonalds, Wendys.....

Um, you forgot Wal*Mart. B-P
19 posted on 07/23/2005 11:09:10 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - CAFTA delenda est!)
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To: Oatka

"Global Competition" is a race to the bottom. It is a code word for "Who will work the cheapest?"

You sound like a communist. Competition is a good thing-it lowers prices and improves quality.


20 posted on 07/23/2005 11:09:35 AM PDT by foobeca
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