Cannon declines debate with Colorado rival (Tancredo)

Salt Lake Tribune ^ | Robert Gehrke

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WASHINGTON - U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, known for his outspoken and sometimes outlandish views on immigration, will be in Utah later this month and agreed to debate his political rival, Rep. Chris Cannon.

Cannon says he has more pressing engagements - working on the irrigation system at his home.

Tancredo, a Colorado Republican and leading spokesman of the anti-immigration movement, was invited to the state by the group Utahns For Immigration Reform and Enforcement, or UFIRE, a group that battered Cannon over his immigration stance during his 2004 re-election bid.

He agreed to spend Aug. 24 to 25 in the state, making appearances in St. George, Provo and Salt Lake City. On behalf of UFIRE, Bluffdale City Councilwoman Martha Speed invited Cannon to debate Tancredo at an event in Provo on Aug. 24, but Cannon said he will be indisposed.

"Congressman Cannon plans to spend the 24th at home working on his irrigation system,” said his chief of staff, Joe Hunter. “However, given Mr. Tancredo's recent interest in religious sites, we would suggest our visitor from Colorado might want to occupy his time touring [LDS] Temple Square."

The reference to Tancredo's “interest in religious sites” is a dig at recent comments he made in a radio interview that, if Muslim terrorists mount a nuclear strike in the United States, that the United States should retaliate by bombing Muslim holy sites, including Mecca.

“What are we dealing with here, an arrogant jokester?” asked UFIRE chairman Russell Sias.

“Do we disagree with Representative Cannon's stand? Absolutely. But we don't have to set him up. The issues themselves will do that. When you're wrong, you're wrong.”

Cannon's spokesman, Charles Isom, said, “Congressman Cannon is going to engage in this debate on the floor of Congress and he doesn't really see this as a productive way to advance this debate.”

Recently, Tancredo has been visiting presidential primary states trying to force Republican candidates to take a hard-line stance on immigration and, if none does, has not ruled out running himself.

He and Cannon have a rocky past, due to Cannon's support for President Bush's immigration policies, and sponsorship of legislation that would allow illegal immigrants to earn citizenship working in the agricultural industry.

[glock rocks]

In full disclosure, I don't know the connection of Jesse and Douglas Cannon who I think filed on behalf of the Cannon family, to Chris Cannon... then again, this is Utah. I'll look for the stuff I read last month. Hey, I've slept since then... I might have been channeling Art Bell...

[gubamyster]

ping

[blackie]

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!

[DumpsterDiver]

U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, known for his outspoken and sometimes outlandish views on immigration,

In the name of fairness, let's hear from the other side.

MALDEF, LULAC and the National Council of La Raza, known for their outspoken and sometimes always outlandish views on immigration illegal aliens,

[Dante3]

I agree, there is nothing outlandish about wanting to keep criminals out of this country.

[B4Ranch]

Who is Cannon fronting for?

The United Nations.

[Itzlzha]

Now what I am I supposed to think about that?

I don't know...I guess it depends on whether you are a...

"OBL Sock-Puppet!"

[Itzlzha]

You mean to say you dont believe Cannon will be out in his yard digging trenches and laying pipe for his irrigation system?/s

Is it possible that an "OBL Sock-Puppet" like Cannon would ACTUALLY...

"Do the jobs that American's WON'T do?!"

Isn't THIS kind of work JUST what we need ILLEGAL INFILTRATORS to do for us?

[judgeandjury]

Let's not forget that Tanc hired the illegals to remodel his home.

That's a bunch of BS. I challenge you to provide proof to support your outrageous accusation.

[Ben Ficklin]

Provide proof?

There has been only about a 1000 threads on the subject posted at FR.

[judgeandjury]

Provide proof?

There has been only about a 1000 threads on the subject posted at FR.

That's not proof. Once again, I challenge you to provide proof to support your outrageous accusation against Tancredo.

[Ben Ficklin]

You are asking for proof of something that is common knowledge. I ain't wasting my time looking it up.

Tancredo and the sub-contractor both admitted the illegals were there.

[judgeandjury]

You are asking for proof of something that is common knowledge. I ain't wasting my time looking it up.

Tancredo and the sub-contractor both admitted the illegals were there.

It is not common knowledge because it didn't happen, and you know that you can't provide proof that it happened. And Tancredo and the sub-contractor did not admit the illegals were there. You are either ignorant of the facts regarding this matter or you are a liar.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

The Tancredo option would make Muhammad a liar and undermine the whole basis of Islamic invulnerability:

KORAN [9.28] O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque [Mecca, the Kaaba] after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.

MECCA and MEDINA invulnerable:

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [3:30:103] Narrated Abu Bakra:
The Prophet said, "The terror caused by Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] will not enter Medina and at that time Medina will have seven gates and there will be two angels at each gate guarding them."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [3:30:104] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "There are angels guarding the entrances (or roads) of Medina, neither plague nor Ad-Dajjal [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] will be able to enter it."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [3:30:105] Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet said, "There will be no town which Ad-Dajjal [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] will not enter except Mecca and Medina, and there will be no entrance (road) (of both Mecca and Medina) but the angels will be standing in rows guarding it against him, and then Medina will shake with its inhabitants thrice (i.e. three earth-quakes will take place) and Allah will expel all the nonbelievers and the hypocrites from it."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:7032] Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
There will be no land which would not be covered by the Dajjal but Mecca and Medina, and there would no passage out of the passages leading to them which would not be guarded by angels arranged in rows. Then he (the Dajjal) [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] would appear in a barren place adjacent to Medina and it would rock three times that every unbeliever and hypocrite would get out of it towards him.

THIS IS NOT FROM AL-QAEDA!

THIS IS JUST A BIT OF WHAT ALL MUSLIMS, INCLUDING SO-CALLED MODERATES, SIGN UP FOR WHEN THEY SAY THE BISMALLAH, "THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS PROPHET"!

KORAN [3.28] Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

KORAN [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

KORAN [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "No, by Him Who splits the grain of corn and creates the soul. I don't think we have such knowledge, but we have the ability of understanding which Allah may endow a person with, so that he may understand the Qur'an, and we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "(The regulations of) blood-money, the freeing of captives, ******** and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel." *********

HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.

© Religion of Peace

KORAN: http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
HADITH: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

[Ben Ficklin]

In a floor speech in the US House, Tancredo said he didn't know the workers were undocumented

Tancredo hired illegals.

[FlashBack]

You defended OUR position with your post...
"Tancredo said he didn't know the workers were undocumented"
Add this one to your RatherGate file.

[Ben Ficklin]

A man in Tancredo's position would make a point of knowing. He knew.

Just for the sake of argument, ignorance is no excuse.

Many here call for imprisonment and fines for employers who hire illegals. That would also apply to Tancredo.

[JCEccles]

What do any of your posts have to do the the subject of this thread, Cannon's refusal to debate Tancredo?

What point are you trying to make?

[FlashBack]

He stated he did not know...You state he did...no offense but I'll take the word of the guy who was there.
Perhaps the contractor in charge knew...that is the person who should face legal action.

[JCEccles]

Interesting. I Iive in a state that is crawling with illegal aliens. If I have a contractor complete a new addition to my home and I notice that some of the workman appear Hispanic and are speaking Spanish, what is my obligation? Citizen's arrest? What if I'm wrong?

And if I later discover the workman were indeed illegal aliens, am I forbidden to speak critically of the way our immigration and border control laws are (not) enforced?

I don't agree with that argument at all. It makes no sense.