Posted on 08/13/2005 12:42:44 PM PDT by Interesting Times
Winter Soldier is a documentary which one experiences, instead of simply viewing. Over three days in January and February 1971, just a couple months before Lieutenant William Calley would be sentenced to life in prison for the My Lai Massacre (he would eventually serve less than four years), a group of Vietnam War veterans convened at a Howard Johnson in Detroit to testify about the atrocities they had witnessed or partaken in while serving in Vietnam. The conference was titled “The Winter Soldier Investigation,” after Thomas Paine: “These are the times that try men’s souls. The summertime soldier and the sunshine patriot will in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”
Needless to say, the country didn’t stand up and thank the (mostly long-haired and disenchanted) vets for reminding them of the sinkhole of iniquity America had mired itself in overseas. The gut-wrenching, eye-opening stories delivered by hundreds of soldiers in that sterile hotel conference room were mostly ignored by the media, and would likely have sunk without a trace after being published in the Congressional Record. The testimony, however, was shot by a group called the Winterfilm Collective (including the future Academy Award-winning documentarian Barbara Kopple) and edited into a tight, 95-minute piece of scorching truth-telling that played around at some film festivals, colleges, and one small Manhattan cinema, before mostly disappearing from the scene.
It’s not hard to see why, given that the film is essentially a parade of grainy, black-and-white footage of morose, shaggy-headed vets talking in confession-booth tones about laying waste to villages and butchering civilians; this is not a fun night out at the movies (but, then, neither is Shoah). In general, we as a country have preferred to have our Vietnam horror stories served up to us as part of thrilling wartime adventure tales, like Apocalypse Now and Platoon, or used as nihilistic punch lines in the morbidly inhumane Full Metal Jacket. And yet it remains well-nigh unconscionable that Winter Soldier a missive delivered straight from the frontline never become one of the standard texts on the Vietnam War and is only now getting its first proper theatrical release.
Due to the fact that John Kerry was a member of this group (he appears on screen for less than a minute, interviewing another veteran), and would testify on these same matters before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in April of the same year, Winter Soldier has been used as something of a punching bag by elements of the right, which have disputed the veracity of some of the soldiers’ claims. But it’s not the substance of one or two of the stories which give the film its quite substantial power to shock, it’s the numbing repetition of them, the same tropes repeated over and over in slightly varied form, all of it together painting a portrait of institutionalized brutality.
Like with the Abu Ghraib scandal, the Winter Soldier testimony showed that an indifference to Geneva Conventions regarding prisoners of war had filtered from command down to the grunts charged with handling them. Several soldiers speak with quite jarring normality about prisoners being thrown blindfolded out of helicopters, by officers no less, while slides show GIs looking on as South Vietnamese regulars torture suspected Vietcong guerrillas. Almost worse, however (and here is where, so far at least, the Vietnam-Iraq parallels seem to lessen), is the absolute disregard for civilian life. Anyone with even a little knowledge of the war knows the old joke (repeated here) about how to tell a Vietcong from a noncombatant (“Anybody running away is a VC. Anybody standing still is a well-disciplined VC.”), but it’s quite another thing to witness this deluge of horrors, with ordinary Vietnamese gunned down on the side of the road, from helicopters in rice paddies, in their villages, just because they happened to be in the way. Soldier after soldier talks about how routine these killings were, everything sanctioned by their officers, who at best looked the other way and at worst instigated it. “They weren’t human” is the drumbeat here, the atrocities that occurred being the inevitable result of institutionalized racism combined with a war in which no ground could be gained or lost, and only the body count mattered – whether the bodies were actually combatants was an oft-ignored detail.
Decades on, Winter Soldier can seem an anachronism with its lack of framing devices and narration, the testimony just laid out there in stark relief, with the viewer mostly left to fend for themselves; a potential problem in these ahistorical times. As a film it runs into problems when trying to tie in domestic racism against Native and African-Americans to the dehumanization of the Vietnamese people – it’s an important point that gets muffled, something that a clearer editorial approach could have helped. However, the sheer weight of testimony and the numbing repetition of their similar elements shows for a lie the attempts by fringe right-wing elements (mostly as part of their Swift Boat-John Kerry smear campaign) to present these soldiers’ stories as fabricated or aberrations instead of the norm. You can dismiss some of what’s said here as lies and exaggerations, but to deny the whole of it is to simply close one’s eyes to reality.
War is hell; Winter Soldier shows that this was true of the Vietnam War, only more so.
By the way, the upper photo at the left is Steve Pitkin, who signed an affidavit saying that he was pressured by VVAW leaders at the Winter Soldier Investigation to tell lies about atrocities. See also the What's New? section at WinterSoldier.com.
Perhaps film critic Chris Barsanti would be interested in hearing some other perspectives on the Vietnam Veterans Against the War's war crimes extravaganza...
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negotiated with the enemy
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Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html
And the FBI has proof of his treason.
Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files
May 1970
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.
(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)
http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html
a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
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PING
If you repeat a lie often enough, then it becomes true. The MO of liars.
lying traitor ping
on or off, FRe-mail me.
-- Steve Pitkin, from his September 2004 affidavit
Of course he knows - leftists just don't care.
Note even CBS News doesn't care - "The memos may be fake, but we stand by the story". Their own words.
The ends justify the means. They know it is a fiction - but they assume that the US is wrong, and the military is evil, so they figure it is a re-enactment - "similar stories must be true".
In a real world this jackass would lose his job - if it is a paying position - for a review like this. No one should comment to him - they should comment to the site. This person is a lost cause.
Diva's Husband
Werent most of these 'vets' frauds, and werent ALL of their stories either outright lies or embellishments?
BTTT!!!!!!!
They were a bit more subtle than that. There were some outright frauds, but most of the winter soldiers had been in the military, and a number did serve in Vietnam, though mostly in non-combat positions. The trick they used was to tell horrible stories of atrocities that were sufficiently vague in terms of who, what, when and where that they would be very difficult either to prove or disprove. Military investigators took a serious look at the charges, but found nothing that merited charging anyone with a war crime.
The tactic the VVAW and its supporters use today is to say, "many of these horrible crimes have never been disproved." My own position is that if you're going to claim that someone committed terrible crimes, the burden of proof is on you. The VVAW has never come close to providing such proof. That wasn't their objective -- they just wanted people to believe it was true.
(LOL)
So Kerry's bit is less than 2 minutes. If this would have had his whole testimony and came out before the election . . . . Funny, they seem to think it would have been better to come after the election, even though Kerry had a higher profile and this film would have gotten more press before November.
There is a book by a guy, Burke, I think, Stolen Honor, describing a lot of these Hippie type Vietnam Vets as not even serving in Vietnam, not having Purple Hearts, and some not even veterans.
How are you doing,Tonk?
The book is "Stolen Valor" by B.G. Burkett. Here's an excerpt.
No, you're confusing two different events. Kerry's interview of Steve Pitkin at the Winter Soldier Investigation only lasted for a minute or two, at least on the film. His testimony before Congress a couple of months later, which presented the Winter Soldier claims as true, lasted for a couple of hours.
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