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Victims may have died before crash( Passengers frozen solid! )
CNN ^ | 08/15/2005 | CNN

Posted on 08/15/2005 8:47:22 AM PDT by devane617

ATHENS, Greece (CNN) -- Investigators were working to determine why a Cypriot plane apparently suffered a catastrophic loss of cabin pressure and slammed into a Greek mountain -- possibly with all 121 people on board already dead. All but two of the bodies have been recovered, a Greek government spokesman said Monday, and officials hope autopsies and cockpit recorders will hold clues to Sunday's crash of Helios Airways Flight 522. The autopsies were ordered to determine if the 115 passengers and six crew were already dead or oxygen-starved before the crash, the spokesman said. A Greek Defense Ministry source with access to the investigation told Reuters that most of the bodies recovered were "frozen solid."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: air; aircraft; airplane; boeing737; heliosairways; terror; terrorist; travel
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Bodies frozen solid! How can this happen. Any airplane folks out ther that can explain?
1 posted on 08/15/2005 8:47:23 AM PDT by devane617
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To: devane617

It's cold up there.


2 posted on 08/15/2005 8:48:29 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Enlighten us, oh Wise One!
3 posted on 08/15/2005 8:49:33 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Mr and Mrs WilsonIII were both working UNDERtheCOVERS!)
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To: devane617

At 30,000 feet the outside air is minus 50 degrees.


4 posted on 08/15/2005 8:49:39 AM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER (Conceal Carry)
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To: devane617

Hopefully they passed out quickly and didn't know what happened.


5 posted on 08/15/2005 8:49:58 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: devane617

It's really cold up there at high altitudes.

That's why there are ice caps on mountains even along the equator and the tropics.


6 posted on 08/15/2005 8:50:14 AM PDT by nuffsenuff
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To: cripplecreek

-30 F *according to an aviation expert interviewed on radio.


7 posted on 08/15/2005 8:50:17 AM PDT by Rudder
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To: cripplecreek

I know nothing about planes, but it seems like there would be several ways to determine if this problem is occuring. Sounds like it only take a few minutes to recognize a problem of this nature and then take action to lower altitude.


8 posted on 08/15/2005 8:50:56 AM PDT by devane617
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To: devane617

Was this a 737, 727, or other?


9 posted on 08/15/2005 8:51:28 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: devane617

Its very very cold up there. Upon decompression, a pilot is supposed to lower his altitude to where it is not so cold, but you know, that A/C system which is suppose to heat the air must have completely failed. This is weird. Perhaps the pilot and copilot were incapacitated before they could bring her down to a safe altitude... Hmmmmm, never mind, a REAL freeper pilot or person in the know is gonna have to chime in on this one!


10 posted on 08/15/2005 8:51:37 AM PDT by Paradox (Budweiser, fighting for the Right to Keep and Beer Arms.)
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To: devane617

Not when the pilots are the first to go.


11 posted on 08/15/2005 8:51:50 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: devane617
Gordon: We have trouble! A plane full of passengers who have been frozen solid!

Bruce: Mr. Freeze!

Dick: Holy Popsicle!
12 posted on 08/15/2005 8:51:56 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Rudder

And if you are wearing shorts, I guess that it pretty cold.

I have been in -30...but wearing a huge parka and not out in it that long. Everything in your nose freezes when you breethe.


13 posted on 08/15/2005 8:52:18 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Rudder
-30 F *according to an aviation expert interviewed on radio.

Yeah, but even at -30 it takes a living, warm body a long time to convert into "frozen solid." I don't think the plane was airborne long enough for that.

I'd look for a modification of this particular claim before long.

14 posted on 08/15/2005 8:52:45 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: devane617

It can happen quickly and there are 20 seconds to do something about it once the oxygen is depleted.


15 posted on 08/15/2005 8:52:50 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: cripplecreek

that's what doesn't make sense to me. why would the pilots be the first to go? we know that because the text message indicated that...why would this have happened that way?


16 posted on 08/15/2005 8:53:12 AM PDT by wildwood
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To: devane617

And of course, this is all Bush's fault.


17 posted on 08/15/2005 8:53:17 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Paradox
It is strange, the reports suggest the passengers found the pilots already suffocated in their seats. this implies they died first, how did the fail safes fail? Why are trained professionals not able to notice numerous alarms within the cockpit? How come they did not use their own breathing equipment that is far more sophisticated than the passengers systems?
18 posted on 08/15/2005 8:54:07 AM PDT by Kelly_2000
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To: BurbankKarl

I used to work nights in a sawmill here in Michigan. I saw -30 and colder lots of times but I was dressed for it.


19 posted on 08/15/2005 8:55:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: fatnotlazy

Bush probably made the airline hire low wage illegals to fly the plane:)


20 posted on 08/15/2005 8:55:19 AM PDT by devane617
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