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China, Russia Begin More Military Drills
AP (Via Yahoo) ^ | 19th Aug. 2005 | JOE McDONALD

Posted on 08/20/2005 7:54:27 AM PDT by Petey139

BEIJING - China and Russia began the second stage of their first joint military drills early Saturday, shifting to China's northeast coast after two days of exercises near the Russian port of Vladivostok, the Chinese government said. The war games are the result of warming ties between former Cold War enemies Moscow and Beijing, motivated by growing concern at U.S. dominance of world affairs.

The drills near Qingdao, the site of a major Chinese naval base on the Shandong peninsula in the Yellow Sea, are to include a joint landing to practice stabilizing a fictional country.

About 7,000 Chinese troops and 1,800 Russians with ships, fighter planes and amphibious vehicles are taking part in "Peace Mission 2005," Chinese state television said.

The joint practice is meant to improve cooperation in "dealing with crises and organizing coordinated actions in the backdrop of the fight against terrorism, separatism and extremism," China's official Xinhua News Agency said.

The midday national television news showed Chinese troops splashing through the surf in amphibious armored craft and sailors in a Chinese warship's command center, though it didn't say whether those activities occurred Saturday.

State television also showed Russian fighters and cargo planes landing at a Chinese military base and Russian troops unloading an armored vehicle. A Chinese schoolgirl presented a bouquet of flowers to a Russian naval officer.

The exercise Saturday was to include 14 ships and about 50 Russian and Chinese warplanes, according to Russia's ITAR-Tass news agency.

It will include the midair refueling of Russian-made Chinese Sukhoi-30 interceptors by a Russian flying tanker, ITAR-Tass said.

China's secretive military has barred most foreign reporters from watching the exercises.

ITAR-Tass said even Russian correspondents were refused access to Chinese forces.


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1 posted on 08/20/2005 7:54:33 AM PDT by Petey139
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To: Petey139

We really should send in some units to participate as the opponents in their exercises. We could learn something useful about Chinese tactics, and we could probably show both countries how out classed they are in land warfare.


2 posted on 08/20/2005 7:55:46 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Petey139; Dr. Marten; tallhappy; maui_hawaii
joint landing to practice stabilizing a fictional country

Read Taiwan, IMO (not that this is any surprise).

3 posted on 08/20/2005 8:01:22 AM PDT by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Petey139

Sino-Soviet military cooperation...another legacy of the Clinton regime.


4 posted on 08/20/2005 8:02:03 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: coconutt2000

Are you serious?

Maybe we should send in a couple of those special bombs.


5 posted on 08/20/2005 8:03:00 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: Petey139

This is just a little drum-beating and saber-rattling to let some expansionist entities keep in mind that outside force does exist that could thwart those plans. More than anything, the exercise is directed at competing factions in the Middle East and possible insurrections that threaten to erupt there.

China will not brook interference with the flow of oil to their country, as they have a growing demand for energy, and sending a land assault to secure an assured flow is well within their scope. They have the manpower, they have the incentive, and in large part, they have the logistics to support such an adventure. And they have wasted precious little love on Muslims.


6 posted on 08/20/2005 8:07:24 AM PDT by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: Petey139
Here are some pics of the supposed joint operations:


7 posted on 08/20/2005 8:11:41 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: alloysteel

"And they have wasted precious little love on Muslims"

Nor on the 50 million of their own they slaughtered. That murderous culture has to go.


8 posted on 08/20/2005 8:14:14 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: alloysteel
IMHO, the message is clearly directed at the US over the issue of Taiwan. That's why the word "separatism" is thrown in there. In that area, they are currently building the Navy and the logistics to support such an operation soon. They are not up to it as yet for any area outside of the inner island chain.

But they are planning and building to be able to extend it to the 2nd chain in as near a future as they can.


9 posted on 08/20/2005 8:15:31 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head

THx. Mr. Head, I've haven't seen them yet.


10 posted on 08/20/2005 8:16:33 AM PDT by Petey139
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To: Jeff Head

Are these the new "Failsafe" Subs that do not fully submerse so as to avoid the past problems?


11 posted on 08/20/2005 8:18:01 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: Petey139

You are welcome.


12 posted on 08/20/2005 8:22:10 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Petey139
Regardless of the public relations propaganda coming from Russia and China, Russia has got to be sweating bullets.

Their dilemma is whether they ally with the West or become a slave bride for China.

13 posted on 08/20/2005 8:24:19 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: spanalot
They are building new subs...and there's no joke about it. The

Type 093s nukes and the Kilos, the Juan and the Song class

which are modern diesel/electrics, can all be a significant problem for our forces.

Although our vessels are much more capable and pwerful, we cannot underestimate the enemy.

14 posted on 08/20/2005 8:26:19 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: alloysteel

We are not accepting rationality today, but thank you for your participation.


15 posted on 08/20/2005 8:27:19 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: silverleaf

How long has it been since Clinton was president? Blaming everything on him is keeping your head in the sand. We've a different president NOW, and have for five years.


16 posted on 08/20/2005 8:30:00 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: warchild9

Re; Clinton's legacy:

You are aware of the timeline under which this Sino-Soviet cooperation has developed...aren't you? Or do you just live in the here and now and assume these guys shook hands and planned this show in the past 5 years alone?

Check it out for yourself. I did.


17 posted on 08/20/2005 8:34:38 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: silverleaf

Summoning Clinton is a weak argument.

I'm fully aware of the historic long-term viewpoint of the Chinese, and also of Clinton's traitorous acts while he was supposedly in control of the White House.

However, the inaction and facilitations of the PRC by the present administration cannot be hidden by the diversion of "Look at Clinton! Look at Clinton! He did it! It's ALL his fault!"


18 posted on 08/20/2005 8:42:36 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: warchild9

Refusing to check out the timeline that led to this ongoing Sino-Soviet exercise reveals intellectual laziness on your part.

My point about this strengthened cooperation having its roots in Clinton's Presidency, is supportable by fact.

It would be easy to share my research and lay this out for you, but again I challenge you to do your own homework and then get back to me on "weak arguments".

Hint- start in 1992.


19 posted on 08/20/2005 8:48:33 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: silverleaf

Hmm...perhaps I wasn't clear.

I'm well aware that the first bi-lateral aggreements between these two countries pre-date Clinton, and began with the old Soviet Union. Their principle raison d'etre today is to maintain military sales to Russian defense companies, which seems to be their only thriving industry, next to mail-order brides.

My point is, again, that the present administration has been in the saddle for five years, and their only action to counter this growing threat is to publically pout and privately make certain the suits who finance their election campaigns continue to profit from Chinese slave labor.


20 posted on 08/20/2005 8:52:29 AM PDT by warchild9
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