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Montana's governor eyes coal to solve U.S. fuel costs
Reuters on Yahoo ^
| 8/26/05
| Adam Tanner - Reuters
Posted on 08/26/2005 2:59:00 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
---he's a little low oon his price but on the right page--need lots of nukes for electrical power generation too--
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posted on
08/26/2005 3:02:31 PM PDT
by
rellimpank
(urbanites don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm:NRABenefactor)
To: NormsRevenge
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to realise we could turn coal into fuel.
The technology is old and works.
Ofcourse right when this plant starts to open the Saudi's will lower their price to try to put them out of business , we cvant fall for that one. We need to be self sufficient for oil in this country and tell the others to Kiss it. Just Kiss it.
To: sgtbono2002
when this plant starts to open the Saudi's will lower their price to try to put them out of business Not necessarily, when they can keep selling their crude to China, India and elsewhere for $60-plus a barrel.
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posted on
08/26/2005 3:08:27 PM PDT
by
Argus
To: NormsRevenge
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posted on
08/26/2005 3:10:07 PM PDT
by
Mulch
(tm)
To: sgtbono2002
(fĬsh´er-trōpsh) , method for the synthesis of hydrocarbons and other aliphatic compounds. Synthesis gas, a mixture of hydrogen and carbon monoxide, is reacted in the presence of an iron or cobalt catalyst; much heat is evolved, and such products as methane, synthetic gasoline and waxes, and alcohols are made, with water or carbon dioxide produced as a byproduct. An important source of the hydrogen-carbon monoxide gas mixture is the gasification of coal (see water gas ). The process is named after F. Fischer and H. Tropsch, the German coal researchers who discovered it in 1923.
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posted on
08/26/2005 3:10:35 PM PDT
by
sionnsar
(†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
To: NormsRevenge
Not a new idea - even here.
Kiln-in-Gas bankrupted the great Allis Chalmers company in the early 1980's.
To: NormsRevenge
This is something entirely different I take from oil shale - which I believe is far more expensive to process.
To: Sam Gamgee
--yes--totally different--
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posted on
08/26/2005 3:15:45 PM PDT
by
rellimpank
(urbanites don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm:NRABenefactor)
To: Mulch
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to realise we could turn coal into fuel.
The technology is here and has been for decades.
Folks in South Africa do it every day.
The main thing is to make it economically feasable.
USA is the like 50 Arabias as far is coal is concerned.
For further reading I would refer you to:
http://www.sasol.com
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posted on
08/26/2005 3:19:09 PM PDT
by
76834
(There's nothing wrong with sobriety in moderation.)
To: NormsRevenge
HA..Ha...ha......................
Schweitzer said Montana has a huge advantage over other states because it owns the Otter Creek reserves, which the federal government traded to it after President Clinton halted a proposed gold mine near Yellowstone National Park
Eat your shorts lefties
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posted on
08/26/2005 3:22:29 PM PDT
by
spokeshave
(Strategery + Shardenfreuden = Stratenshardenfreudenery)
To: 76834
And the thing most often missed: We aren't 1940 era Germans. Who knows if the wheels of capitalism were to roll with this concept how much cheaper and economical the method for conversion can be made.
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posted on
08/26/2005 3:22:44 PM PDT
by
samm1148
To: NormsRevenge
"environmentalists" will oppose this, too.
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posted on
08/26/2005 3:24:08 PM PDT
by
Rakkasan1
(DON'T BICKER, DRINK LIQUOR-DON'T THINK, JUST DRINK.)
To: samm1148
Coal eh....don't gas turbines and diesels work on pulverized coal.......?
Put the H2-er's out of work
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posted on
08/26/2005 3:24:22 PM PDT
by
spokeshave
(Strategery + Shardenfreuden = Stratenshardenfreudenery)
To: Mulch
More:
Sasol produces 1,5 billion barrels of synthetic fuel from coal in fifty years more >>>
24 August 2005
Sasol has produced almost 1,5 billion barrels of synthetic fuel from about 800 million tonnes of coal since the first sample of synthetic oil from coal was produced fifty years ago at its Sasolburg plant near Johannesburg in South Africa on 23 August 1955.
Regarded as a world technology leader in the production of coal-to-liquids (CTL), Sasol operates the world's only commercial scale synthetic plant at Secunda, where it produces 150 000 barrels of liquid fuel per day.
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posted on
08/26/2005 3:26:53 PM PDT
by
76834
(There's nothing wrong with sobriety in moderation.)
To: samm1148
And the thing most often missed: We aren't 1940 era Germans. Who knows if the wheels of capitalism were to roll with this concept how much cheaper and economical the method for conversion can be made.
Point taken and understood.
With fuel prices like they are now we are fast beginning to resemble the fuel starved Germans of 1940.
Main difference here is we are sitting on top of 10 mountains of coal and are freezing to death.
All we really need to do is to stop complaining, get off our asses and dig.
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posted on
08/26/2005 3:33:12 PM PDT
by
76834
(There's nothing wrong with sobriety in moderation.)
To: 76834
Lots of coal is a mile deep and hard to mine. Drill down to the formation, introduce hot hydrogen and the right catalyst, and get oil and hydrocarbon gases up. Fischer-Tropsch in situ.
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posted on
08/26/2005 3:46:44 PM PDT
by
dr huer
To: dr huer
You got it.
Extract all the "Coal Bed Methane" you can then do similiar but hotter.
Was thinking something along the line of Frasch Process, where they pump superheated water down the hole and product comes out.
Maybe use the CBM to fuel the thing.
Your thoughts?
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posted on
08/26/2005 3:52:13 PM PDT
by
76834
(There's nothing wrong with sobriety in moderation.)
To: NormsRevenge
Alaska has half the country's coal reserves. Much of it is wet coal, and low sulfur. The wet coal can be converted by hydrothermal processing or hot-water drying, which yields a liquid coal-water fuel that can be burned almost like oil. Some roads would have to be built to get at the coal.
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posted on
08/26/2005 3:52:23 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
To: RightWhale
Some roads would have to be built to get at the coal.
The friendly folks at Union Pacific and BNSF might be interested in building the road.
/grin>
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posted on
08/26/2005 3:57:21 PM PDT
by
76834
(There's nothing wrong with sobriety in moderation.)
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