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Islamists, Get Out
Front Page Magazine ^ | August 30, 2005 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 08/30/2005 9:37:35 AM PDT by BMC1

As the full implications of the London’s terrorism by domestic jihadis sink in, Westerners speak out about the problem of radical Islam with new clarity and boldness.

The most profound development is the sudden need of the British and others to assert what it means to be British, Australian, or some other nationality. In the face of the Islamist challenge, historic identities taken for granted must now be explained and codified.

This can be seen on a diurnal level, where Islamist assertion has provoked a new European willingness in recent months to stand up for historic customs – as seen by the banning of burqas in Italy, requiring a German school boy to attend co-ed swimming classes, and making male applicants for Irish citizenship renounce polygamy. When a ranking Belgian politician cancelled lunch with an Iranian group after it demanded that alcohol not be present, his spokesman helpfully explained, “You can’t force the authorities of Belgium to drink water.”

As shown by two statements on the same day last week (Aug. 24), leading Western politicians are going beyond these minor specifics to address the civilizational heart of the matter.

David Cameron, the British shadow education secretary and one of the Conservative Party’s bright prospects, defined Britishness as “freedom under the rule of law,” adding that this expression “explains almost everything you need to know about our country, our institutions, our history, our culture - even our economy.” Peter Costello, the treasurer of Australia and regarded as heir apparent to Prime Minister John Howard, asserts, “Australia expects its citizens to abide by core beliefs: democracy, the rule of law, the independent judiciary, independent liberty.”

Cameron also spoke with a bluntness unique in four years of politicians’ discourse since 9/11: “The driving force behind today’s terrorist threat is Islamist fundamentalism. The struggle we are engaged in is, at root, ideological. During the last century a strain of Islamist thinking has developed which, like other totalitarianisms, such as Nazi-ism and Communism, offers its followers a form of redemption through violence.”

Most striking are the growing calls to extrude Islamists. Two politicians have advised foreign Islamists to stay away. Monique Gagnon-Tremblay, Quebec’s international relations minister, retracted the welcome mat from those “who want to come to Quebec and who do not respect women’s rights or who do not respect whatever rights may be in our Civil Code.” Bob Carr, premier of New South Wales, Australia (which includes Sydney), wants would-be immigrants to be denied visas if they refuse to integrate: “I don’t think they should be let in.”

Costello goes further, observing that Australia “is founded on a democracy. According to our Constitution, we have a secular state. Our laws are made by the Australian Parliament. If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Shari’a law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you.” Islamists with dual citizenship, he suggests, could be asked “to exercise that other citizenship,” i.e., leave Australia.

Likewise, Brendan Nelson, Australia’s education minister, also on Aug. 24 urged immigrants to “commit to the Australian constitution, Australian rule of law.” If not, “they can basically clear off.” Geert Wilders, head of his own small party in the Dutch parliament, similarly called for the expulsion of non-citizen immigrants who refuse to integrate.

But it was the British shadow defence minister, Gerald Howarth, who went the furthest, suggesting in early August that all British Islamists must go. “If they don’t like our way of life, there is a simple remedy: go to another country, get out.” He directed this principle even to Islamists born in Britain (such as three of the four London bombers): “If you don’t give allegiance to this country, then leave.”

These statements, all dating from the past half-year, prompt several observations. First, where are the Americans? No major U.S. politician has spoken of making American-based Islamists unwelcome. Who will be the first?

Second, note the consistent focus on the law and legal issues. This correctly picks up on the fact that ultimately, the Islamist project concerns the application of Islamic law, the Shari’a.

And finally, these comments are likely to be leading indicators of a broader campaign to restrict and remove Islamists – a move that comes none too soon.


TOPICS: War on Terror
KEYWORDS: getout; islamists

1 posted on 08/30/2005 9:37:36 AM PDT by BMC1
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It seems that much of "islamic" cultural integration is "act our way or we will kill you"


2 posted on 08/30/2005 9:42:09 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Blueflag

The point is, if they don't like us and what we stand for, GET OUT.


3 posted on 08/30/2005 9:43:38 AM PDT by BMC1
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YEAH....GET OUT....and....STOP COMING HERE, too. Sheesh. Talk about IDIOTIC.


4 posted on 08/30/2005 10:05:11 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Our military......the world's HEROES!)
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To: BMC1
Our laws are made by the Australian Parliament. If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Shari’a law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you.” Islamists with dual citizenship, he suggests, could be asked “to exercise that other citizenship,” i.e., leave Australia.

Gotta love those Aussies! "Nuanced" they ain't.

5 posted on 08/30/2005 10:07:01 AM PDT by Oatka (Hyphenated-Americans have hyphenated-loyalties -- Victor Davis Hanson)
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a good point to make


6 posted on 08/30/2005 10:10:07 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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The London bombings puts the lie to the notion that new residents don't need to assimilate.

Another liberal lie, kaboom!!!


7 posted on 08/30/2005 10:17:11 AM PDT by Tarpon
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To: BMC1
No major U.S. politician has spoken of making American-based Islamists unwelcome. Who will be the first?

And exactly what will it take for that to happen? A subway bombing? A brutal assassination of a politician? American tourists torn to shreds in some other country? That's what it took for British, Australian and Dutch politicos to speak out (although it remains to be seen if their words lead to any significant actions).

"Islamic schools" (Madrassahs) in Lodi and elsewhere in the U.S. are teaching jihad to 5-year-olds, and all we hear on the subject is the sound of crickets chirping in DC.

8 posted on 08/30/2005 10:50:05 AM PDT by browardchad
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No surprise, since this is exactly what they are instructed to do in the Koran.


9 posted on 08/30/2005 11:08:55 AM PDT by kruelio
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No major U.S. politician has spoken of making American-based Islamists unwelcome. Who will be the first?

I think Tancredo just skipped to the end by suggesting we nuke their holly sights.

10 posted on 08/30/2005 11:18:06 AM PDT by usurper (Correct spelling is overrated)
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To: BMC1
Britishness as:

freedom under the rule of law,”

adding that this expression “explains almost everything you need to know about our country, our institutions, our history, our culture - even our economy.”

“Australia expects its citizens to abide by core beliefs:

democracy, the rule of law, the independent judiciary, independent liberty.”

Not to mention Freedom of Religion!

Too bad we can't insist on this same spirit in the new Iraqi constitution our troops are fighting and dying to preserve. Instead we get:

Islam will be the main source of law
Islam will be the state religion
Islam will not be contradicted by any law

How can we expect moslems to change, if we allow them to remain the in the same 7th century minset under Operation Iraqi Freedom?

In Japan in 1945, we IMPOSED on the fanatical militaristic suicidal Japanese - a real democratic constitution. Why not, for moslems, the same treatment?

It has proven to be a terrific cure.
11 posted on 08/30/2005 12:23:14 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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