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DARPA's 'Star Wars'-style Laser Cannon
SPACE.com ^ | Tuesday, August 30, 2005 | Bill Christensen

Posted on 09/01/2005 6:37:55 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon

DARPA's HELLADS (High Energy Liquid Laser Area Defense System) will be light enough to fit on a fighter jet or drone aircraft, and yet powerful enough to fire a 150 kilowatt beam of energy. Star Wars laser cannon may be closer than you think.

High energy laser weapons already in development are powerful enough to bring down missiles (see MTHEL - Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser). However, their very large size has precluded placement on any but the largest planes. The main weight problem comes from the cooling systems needed.

HELLADS makes use of a unique cooling technique to save weight. The high-energy laser uses a liquid that has the same angle of refraction as the mirrors inside the blaster. That way, the "ray gun" can fire away, even while it's being cooled. Currently in the third of five phases of development, a 15 kilowatt subscale prototype is being tested in the laboratory. In the next phase, the demonstrator device will be scaled up to 150 kW, and will specifically be targeted to achieve the low specific weight (5 kg/kW) and compact size need to be mounted in a smaller airborne vehicle. The final phase is engineering, fabricating, integrating and demonstrating the complete HELLADS weapon system on a tactical platform. The device will be built by General Atomics and the tracking system will be built by Lockheed.


Lasers: Deadlier, cooler.

This kind of compact system is getting very close to what science fiction writers since H.G. Wells have envisioned when writing about the heat ray in War of the Worlds. More recently, Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle wrote about laser cannon in their 1974 novel Mote in God's Eye:

..."The intruder came from here. Whoever launched it fired a laser cannon, or a set of laser cannon - probably a whole mess of them on asteroids, with mirrors to focus them - for about forty-five years, so the intruder would have a beam to travel on... (Read more about laser cannon)

Read more at MTHEL, Playing with Liquid Fire: High Energy Lasers Cool Down, HELLADS (at DARPA).


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cannon; darpa; laser; lasercannon; starwars; superweapons; zot
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1 posted on 09/01/2005 6:37:57 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon
The high-energy laser uses a liquid that has the same angle of refraction as the mirrors inside the blaster. That way, the "ray gun" can fire away, even while it's being cooled.

So, is there even such thing as "secret" any more?

2 posted on 09/01/2005 6:39:55 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: Momaw Nadon
The high-energy laser uses a liquid that has the same angle of refraction as the mirrors inside the blaster.

I'd give it more credence if they could get the terminology correct. I believe it's "index of refraction". The angle of refraction is the result of light passing from a medium of one refractive index into a medium of another refractive index.

3 posted on 09/01/2005 6:42:15 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living affront to Islam since 1959)
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To: Momaw Nadon

I want to see it's first "real war" test on an insurgent ... and televised live from Fox News.

"ALAH AKBAR!!!"

ZZZZZZZZZZAP!


4 posted on 09/01/2005 6:43:50 AM PDT by manwiththehands
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To: Momaw Nadon

Why don't we use laser's for missile defense on ships and cities? I would think applying the technology to those areas would be a lot easier than trying to mount it on an airplane.


5 posted on 09/01/2005 6:44:11 AM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: Momaw Nadon

Lord Vader will be most please!!!!


6 posted on 09/01/2005 6:44:39 AM PDT by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never sleep and neither do I)
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To: manwiththehands

I've got one of these in my yard down by the lake...


7 posted on 09/01/2005 6:44:53 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Momaw Nadon
The high-energy laser uses a liquid that has the same angle of refraction as the mirrors inside the blaster.

I think Val Kilmer figured this out a long time before DARPA did. Ice is nice.

8 posted on 09/01/2005 6:44:55 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living affront to Islam since 1959)
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To: Momaw Nadon

"We needs bigger cannons!" "Shut up!"

Dan
Biblical Christianity BLOG

9 posted on 09/01/2005 6:47:44 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Momaw Nadon
"High energy laser weapons already in development"

Already in development?? Readers digest did a story about USSR capabilities, including this back in the early 70's.
10 posted on 09/01/2005 6:47:45 AM PDT by sierrahome (Looters don't steal textbooks)
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To: eyespysomething
DARPA's HELLADS (High Energy Liquid Laser Area Defense System)

The birthday present was really nice, but Christmas is just around the corner (hint, hint)!

11 posted on 09/01/2005 6:50:43 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Momaw Nadon
The device will be built by General Atomics ....

'General Atomics'???

What a great name for a company building Laser Weaponry.

Sounds like something you would read in Marvel comics!

12 posted on 09/01/2005 6:52:38 AM PDT by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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To: The Duke

HELLADS primary technology advance has nothing to do with the index of refraction of the mirrors and the liquid.


13 posted on 09/01/2005 7:06:07 AM PDT by Laserman
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To: bahblahbah
Why don't we use laser's for missile defense on ships and cities? I would think applying the technology to those areas would be a lot easier than trying to mount it on an airplane.

Atmospheric absorbtion/refraction limiting the effective range? I'm guessing that these laser systems are strictly last-ditch point defense systems (THEL) or are mobile systems designed to nail a rocket early in it's boost-phase. There is talk that the F-35 will eventually mount a laser weapon. Evidently its engines, designed to power the shaft-driven lift fans, have enough surplus energy to power the laser.

14 posted on 09/01/2005 7:08:03 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: sierrahome
"High energy laser weapons already in development"

I know we had operational laser weapon systems back in the late 1980s .....

15 posted on 09/01/2005 7:33:54 AM PDT by Yasotay
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To: Yasotay

I know that too...;-)


16 posted on 09/01/2005 7:37:39 AM PDT by sierrahome (Looters don't steal textbooks)
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To: bahblahbah
If we can get it down to where we can put it on a small plane we can put a reall big one or a dozen by New York. Getting the cơling system right means we can house the city defenders in small structures instead of giant cooling towers.
17 posted on 09/01/2005 7:40:39 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Momaw Nadon

I'd be very interested to know what fluid they would use and how closely they need to match the refractive index. I also wonder how many times the laser can fire before photodegradation of the cooling fluid would require it to be flushed and replaced. It is a very clever idea for cooling a laser system.


18 posted on 09/01/2005 7:43:34 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: bahblahbah
Why don't we use laser's for missile defense on ships and cities? I would think applying the technology to those areas would be a lot easier than trying to mount it on an airplane.

Because mounting it on an airplane solves the problem of running out of ammunition. While the movies show aircraft blasting away with chainguns for minutes at a time, the truth is that ammunition tends to be heavy and aircraft go through it very quickly. Most aircraft, especially fighters, only have a few seconds of ammo.

Also, consider that you don't have to lead the target anymore and he can't evade your fire.

19 posted on 09/01/2005 7:48:03 AM PDT by hopespringseternal (</i>)
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To: Momaw Nadon

"That thing's operational!"

20 posted on 09/01/2005 7:59:29 AM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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