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Microsoft plans to outsource more, says ex-worker [Moving 1,000+ jobs to China]
Seattle Times (Excerpt) ^ | September 3, 2005 | Brier Dudley

Posted on 09/05/2005 2:34:54 AM PDT by HAL9000

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Microsoft is on track to outsource more than 1,000 jobs a year to China, according to blistering evidence released yesterday in Microsoft's increasingly nasty spat with Google over an employee who jumped ship in July.

In a revelation that highlights the complexity of China President Hu Jintao's visit to Seattle and Microsoft on Monday, legal filings detailed claims of how Microsoft had offended the Chinese government by not outsourcing as many jobs as promised to Chinese technology vendors.

Chief Executive Steve Ballmer visited China in 2003 and promised to step up the pace, from $33 million worth of work a year to $55 million a year, according to a statement by Kai-Fu Lee, a former vice president who left to work for Google in July. Lee was charged with smoothing over relations with China and finding jobs that could be shifted to Chinese contract workers.

"At the time of my departure, MS was on track to outsource over 1,000 jobs a year to China," he said in a court declaration. A Microsoft spokeswoman said the company has transferred some projects to China "in order to free up teams here for other work."


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Technical; US: Washington
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... Microsoft had offended the Chinese government by not outsourcing as many jobs as promised to Chinese technology vendors.

This helps to explain Bill Gates' fulsome praise of China's Communist Leaders.

1 posted on 09/05/2005 2:34:55 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: Bush2000; Golden Eagle
Learn to Speak Chinese
2 posted on 09/05/2005 2:35:53 AM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: HAL9000

All we need is to have the Chinese inserting secret backdoors into the most prevelent operating system. The government should forbid this outright.


3 posted on 09/05/2005 2:52:35 AM PDT by x5452
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To: x5452
What's the difference, Microsoft did it to the people. Maybe the Chinese we can trust? Right! </sarcasm>

When is the boat leaving so we can get our jobs back over there.

4 posted on 09/05/2005 3:16:37 AM PDT by chainsaw
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To: HAL9000
How do you say, in Chinese or French, "I surrender" ?
THANKS, BILL GATES. :(
5 posted on 09/05/2005 4:29:13 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: HAL9000

I challenge ANYONE to relate one positive experience with an Indian (or otherwise) outsource help desk computer person.</p>

WTF are these coporate people thinking?


6 posted on 09/05/2005 4:44:30 AM PDT by benjaminjjones
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To: benjaminjjones
WTF are these coporate people thinking?

They are thinking that this will allow them to cash in on a $100,000,000.00 bonus come Q1, at which point they will retire. Long term thinking, company loyalty, and fiduciary responsibility, are the furthest things from their mind.
7 posted on 09/05/2005 4:49:14 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: ARCADIA
WTF are these coporate people thinking?

Oh come on, man. This is Free Trade! We're only outsourcing jobs Americans don't want to do anyway, and it's not like they are high-tech jobs. What, are you still building buggy whips? Are you suggesting that we need protection against China? Don't you know how Free Trade works?

8 posted on 09/05/2005 4:53:39 AM PDT by DeeOhGee (If you don't know where you're going, any road will get you there.)
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To: DeeOhGee
Don't you know how Free Trade works?

I know that it converts blue chips into buffalo chips.
9 posted on 09/05/2005 5:00:38 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: DeeOhGee
What, are you still building buggy whips?

No, I'm watching the movie "Ned Devine" and laughing my ass off as that skinny little guy is riding a motorcyle nekid.

I have to remember to play the lottery today.

10 posted on 09/05/2005 5:03:41 AM PDT by benjaminjjones
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To: benjaminjjones
I challenge ANYONE to relate one positive experience with an Indian (or otherwise) outsource help desk computer person.

I had one. I was reinstalling Xp after a major hardware upgrade. It would not install due to there being too many hardware changes. An India help desk operator was able to get me a new install code and I was back in business.

11 posted on 09/05/2005 5:09:23 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: benjaminjjones

Hmm...I've not seen that movie...


12 posted on 09/05/2005 5:09:53 AM PDT by DeeOhGee (If you don't know where you're going, any road will get you there.)
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To: ARCADIA
Oops, I think I replied to the wrong person.

I'm still laughing at the movie though. So glad I've got the Irish in me.

13 posted on 09/05/2005 5:11:02 AM PDT by benjaminjjones
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To: RadioAstronomer
Good for you! I wanted to hear some positive feedback.

CQ? CQ?

14 posted on 09/05/2005 5:12:23 AM PDT by benjaminjjones
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To: benjaminjjones

:-)


15 posted on 09/05/2005 5:12:56 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: ARCADIA
...it converts blue chips into buffalo chips

Nicely said, but only partly true. There is no douby Microsoft will turn enormous profits, and that one of the reasons is the inexpensive overseas labor. So in that regard the blue chip will remain blue.

The bigger issue, of course, is whether there is - or should be - any connection between foreign policy and trade policy. When - if ever - do we trade with our enemies, and does the US government have the right - in a capitalist economy - to impose such limitations and tariffs?

16 posted on 09/05/2005 5:15:01 AM PDT by DeeOhGee (If you don't know where you're going, any road will get you there.)
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To: DeeOhGee
re :We're only outsourcing jobs Americans don't want to do anyway, and it's not like they are high-tech jobs.

If only that was true. First we exported our manufacturing industry now our service industry.

Even if we cut taxes to the bone could we compete with the expanding Chinese and Indian labour market.

I work as a Java developer, I have seen many software jobs go to India.

I know all about how a free market operates but it is hard to have a so what attitude when you have a family to support and never sure whether you will still be employment tomorrow or next month.

Tony

17 posted on 09/05/2005 5:37:05 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: DeeOhGee; ARCADIA
Is anyone surprised at the efficiency of recent Chinese hacking attacks on federal computer systems when we're outsourcing the code design to the hackers?

There will be NO secrets from the Chinese government. They are our system administrators now.

18 posted on 09/05/2005 5:44:34 AM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: DeeOhGee
Hmm...I've not seen that movie...

It's a quaint, odd movie (1998).

It's about an old guy called Ned Devine that wins the lottery and passes away in his chair when he sees his number come up on the toob.

The whole town conspires to substitute a winner and divide the winnings.

Full of great Irish characters, scenery, and music. Like a trip back to the old sod.

Trust me, I don't go for nekid guys riding motorbikes, but it is a funny scene.

This poor Irish guy is so emaciated, passing himself off as the real Ned Devine, and looks so diriculous, you can't help but belly laugh. Without the Irish humor in me, I'd have been dead decades ago.

There's actually a bar up here in Boston that has the same name. I'm not sure if it's a chain or just a solo operation.

19 posted on 09/05/2005 5:48:06 AM PDT by benjaminjjones
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To: tonycavanagh
There is a difference, I believe between free market and free trade. I contend that you cannot have free trade without the free market, no matter what you call it. Since China is not free, and owns and/or subsidizes all industries (the government itself is a participant), any market with China as a contributor is not free. And therefore, any involving China cannot be free.

A free market - where all the patricipants adhere to the principles of capitalism and the governments are not participants but observers - will promote free trade because it has capitalism at its core.

20 posted on 09/05/2005 6:02:17 AM PDT by DeeOhGee (If you don't know where you're going, any road will get you there.)
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