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Bishops want to apologise for Iraq war(not the worst part)
Timesonline ^ | 09/18/05 | Ruth Gledhill

Posted on 09/18/2005 7:21:44 PM PDT by Pikamax

Bishops want to apologise for Iraq war By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent

BISHOPS of the Church of England want all Britain’s Christian leaders to get together in public to say sorry for the war in Iraq and its aftermath. The bishops say that the Government is not likely to show remorse so the churches should. They want to organise a major gathering with senior figures from the Muslim community to make a “public act of repentance”.

The bishops admit that their suggestion is provocative and bound to attract massive criticism, but insist it is not “a cheap gesture”. Their renewed condemnation of Britain’s role in Iraq since the 2003 invasion will further widen the rift with Downing Street.

The proposal for a public apology comes in a new report published today. In the report, the bishops plead for more “understanding” of what motivates terrorists. They criticise Western democracies as “deeply flawed” and accuse the US of dangerous expansionism.

The bishops, who strongly opposed the war in Iraq, want Christian leaders to express their repentance in an “act of truth and reconciliation” for the West’s contribution to the problems in Iraq.

The bishops cite as precedents the official statements by the Vatican expressing sorrow for the Christian persecution of the Jewish people throughout the ages, the repentance by the Anglican Church in Japan for its complicity in Japanese aggression during the Second World War and the regret expressed by leaders of the Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa for their theological and political backing of apartheid.

The bishops cite a “long litany” of errors in the West’s handling of Iraq, including its past support for Saddam Hussein, its willingness to sell him weapons and the suffering caused to the Iraqi people by sanctions.

However, the bishops acknowledge that it would be “irresponsible” to withdraw British troops in the current chaos, adding that the forces should remain until there is a secure Iraqi regime in place.

In the report, Countering Terrorism, Power, Violence and Democracy Post 9/11, the bishops acknowledge the impact of the July London bombings.

The Bishop of Oxford, the Right Reverend Richard Harries, one of the authors, concedes that all governments have a “proper responsibility” to take the steps necessary to safeguard their citizens.

But he says that the steps should not “infringe hard-won civil liberties”.

Bishop Harries, the Church’s leading apologist for the Christian just-war theory, says: “The Churches have a particular message here based on biblical insights about fear and how playing on the fears of enemies makes for unwise policies.” He goes on to argue that to many people, it is not terrorism but American foreign policy and expansionism that constitute “the major threat to peace”.

He says: “We suggest that the United States, like all major powers in history, does indeed seek to expand its economic, political and military influence and power. What distinguishes it from many other empires in history is its strong sense of moral righteousness. In this there is both sincere conviction and dangerous illusion.”

He is also critical of the power of the so-called Christian Right on Washington’s policies. The bishops question the US sense of “moral righteousness” and criticise the use of biblical texts by some in the US to support a political agenda in the Middle East. The bishops say: “There is no uniquely righteous nation.”

Drawing up a 13-point schedule of “Christian principles” in response to the terror crisis, they call for states to “understand” the perspective of their terrorist antagonists.

“Winning hearts and minds is absolutely fundamental in countering terrorism,” they say. States must address the “long-standing grievances” of the terrorists and even, perhaps, offer them economic support.

They go on to condemn the Western style of democracy, saying that it cannot be imposed on any other country by force. “Democracy as we have it in the West at the moment is deeply flawed and its serious shortcomings need to be addressed,” state the bishops, members of the only unelected house in the Church’s own governing democratic body, the General Synod. Even using the term “war on terrorism” is, like the war on drugs of the 1980s, a piece of “dangerous rhetoric”.

The 100-page report states: “Religion is now a major player on the public stage of the world in a way that few foresaw two decades ago. We believe that the Churches have an important role to play, not simply in urging the importance and applicability of Christian principles, but in a proper awareness of the role of religion, for good as well as ill, and initiatives it might take towards reconciliation between adversaries.”

The bishops plead for understanding of Iran’s nuclear ambitions. “The public and political rhetoric that Iran is a rogue regime, an outpost of tyranny, is as fallacious as the Iranian description of the US as the Great Satan. Iran’s relationship with Islamic terrorist organisations should not be seen as proof of any al-Qaeda link.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bishopharries; bishopofoxford; blameamericafirst; churchofengland; harries; hateamericaleft; iraq; justwartheory; richardharries; terrsymps
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apologists and hate democracy. This is a real church?
1 posted on 09/18/2005 7:21:46 PM PDT by Pikamax
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The Catholic Church in America isn't much better on this subject...


2 posted on 09/18/2005 7:23:41 PM PDT by nj26
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Next they'll be calling for the re-installation of Sadaam Hussein.


3 posted on 09/18/2005 7:24:06 PM PDT by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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Poofs rising to the top, becoming unitarians at heart.


4 posted on 09/18/2005 7:24:55 PM PDT by dts32041 ( Robin Hood, stealing from the government and giving back to tax payer. Where is he today?)
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Disestablish!


5 posted on 09/18/2005 7:25:24 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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When a church stops believing that preaching the Gospel is their primary mission, they have WAY too much time left over for other distractions.


6 posted on 09/18/2005 7:26:19 PM PDT by keithtoo (HowArd Dean's Democratic Party: Traitors, Haters, and Vacillators)
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That's why they never make bishops generals.


7 posted on 09/18/2005 7:26:47 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired!)
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Bishops suggest apologising to Muslim leaders for Iraq war
8 posted on 09/18/2005 7:27:38 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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One would imagine the Ayatollahs in Iran, and Saddam Hussein's henchmen abroad both made major donations recently.

Must have been really big ones too, to get these guys to sell out their countries ~ or, maybe not so big if they went into the right pockets.

9 posted on 09/18/2005 7:28:21 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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Did they ever once apologize to the victims of the organization of Saddam and Sons?
10 posted on 09/18/2005 7:28:46 PM PDT by msnimje (Cogito Ergo Sum Republican)
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“Winning hearts and minds is absolutely fundamental in countering terrorism,” they say. States must address the “long-standing grievances” of the terrorists and even, perhaps, offer them economic support.

That's right. Give them economic support and they'll turn around and kill you and your families and your church with it. What a bunch of asinine ignoramuses. SIGH ... sadly, I've got a bunch of idiot Bishops in my denomination, too. Why is it that the chief requirement for being elected Bishop these days seems to be the removal of one's brain and the zeroing out of one's faith?
11 posted on 09/18/2005 7:29:44 PM PDT by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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The bishops...insist it is not “a cheap gesture”.

Okay.

12 posted on 09/18/2005 7:29:46 PM PDT by siunevada
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“Winning hearts and minds is absolutely fundamental in countering terrorism,” they say. States must address the “long-standing grievances” of the terrorists and even, perhaps, offer them economic support.

That's right. Give them economic support and they'll turn around and kill you and your families and your church with it. What a bunch of asinine ignoramuses. SIGH ... sadly, I've got a bunch of idiot Bishops in my denomination, too. Why is it that the chief requirement for being elected Bishop these days seems to be the removal of one's brain and the zeroing out of one's faith?
13 posted on 09/18/2005 7:31:14 PM PDT by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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Right after they fess up about that little tube mishap.


14 posted on 09/18/2005 7:33:04 PM PDT by 359Henrie
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The bishops plead for understanding of Iran’s nuclear ambitions. “The public and political rhetoric that Iran is a rogue regime, an outpost of tyranny, is as fallacious as the Iranian description of the US as the Great Satan. Iran’s relationship with Islamic terrorist organisations should not be seen as proof of any al-Qaeda link.”

Ignore that man behind the curtain! There is a REASON they call us the "Great Satan" ... it's to deflect others from the fact that they SERVE the REAL Satan.
15 posted on 09/18/2005 7:33:18 PM PDT by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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Bishops want to apologise for Iraq war

To whom? Saddam?

16 posted on 09/18/2005 7:33:41 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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Its now the church of Nevell Chamberlin.
17 posted on 09/18/2005 7:35:01 PM PDT by 359Henrie
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These people think we are deluded?

Excuse me, maybe they should start at home and start thinking about why so many British have abandoned the faith of Jesus Christ.


18 posted on 09/18/2005 7:38:23 PM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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Kind of gives new meaning to the word "BishopPRIC."


19 posted on 09/18/2005 7:39:48 PM PDT by fizziwig
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What weak, self-loathing, submissive men. Too bad they're what passes for church leaders. But we're seeing the main line Protestant denominations in our country follow the same contemptible path.


20 posted on 09/18/2005 7:41:40 PM PDT by clearlight
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