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To: Crackingham

Ahhh - the battle against religion builds!
Gramsci, Lenin, Marx, and the DNC are smiling!

I almost wish for their "revolution" to start openly - get it all over and done with!


3 posted on 09/22/2005 8:33:06 PM PDT by hombre_sincero (www.sigmaitsys.com)
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To: hombre_sincero

I love the term supernatural. If it is a phenomenon that occurs and is inexplicable, by current standards, it is still a phenomenon.

OTOH, if it is not observable, by current standards, it is not a phenomenon. It is not a very useful term.

But folks sure bandy it about pretty loosely.

DK


5 posted on 09/22/2005 8:44:43 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: hombre_sincero
Ahhh - the battle against religion builds!

Well not all religion, just Christianity and fundamentalist Koran worshipping Islam

Well not all Christianity, just Evangelical Christianity and fundamentalist Koran worshipping Islam

Well not all Evangelical Christianity, just fundamentalist Bible worshipping Creationism and fundamentalist Koran worshipping Islam

23 posted on 09/22/2005 10:10:36 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Scientology: it's for those not gullible enough to be Creationists)
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To: hombre_sincero
Ahhh - the battle against religion builds!

No. In this case it's religion that's on the attack against science by attempting to replace the realistic search for truth with faith in supernatural. The proponents of religion would be better served by fighting the battles coming into their own yard than to jump into someone else's yard with a fight they can't win in court.

27 posted on 09/22/2005 10:27:13 PM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: hombre_sincero
Gramsci, Lenin, Marx, and the DNC are smiling!

Gramsci, Lenin, and Marx are dead--and their failed ideologies are expiring.

But I think you are right to suggest the DNC are indeed smiling, and with good cause: a small band of religious fundamentalists are about to get clobbered in a court case (and most deservedly so), exposing ID as an attempt to use bogus science to smuggle religion into the classroom. This will allow our opponents to portray (and, sadly, with some modicum of truth) conservatives as assailers of our basic 1st amendment freedoms. This was a completely stupid thing to do.

I almost wish for their "revolution" to start openly

Whose revolution? What on earth are you talking about?

31 posted on 09/23/2005 1:48:50 AM PDT by SeaLion ("Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man" -- Thomas Paine)
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To: hombre_sincero
Why do you think not including a religious construct in a science class is anti religion? Would you think that not including religion in a driver's ed course is inherently anti religious?

Consider these scientists doing you a favor. Do you really want religion precepts, including yours, to be examined with scientific objectivity? When they come up short, are you ready for folks to abandon your religion in droves as a "false" religion because it doesn't stack up to reality?

Religion is safer and more fulfilling as an article of faith. Attempting to "prove" a religion scientifically (which is all ID is doing) will only lead to heartache and pain.

39 posted on 09/23/2005 3:47:26 AM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: hombre_sincero
Ahhh - the battle against religion builds!

How is your world constructed, such that those who mount a defense are accused of warwongering?

Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?
--James Madison, Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments, 20 June 1785

48 posted on 09/23/2005 6:44:22 AM PDT by Condorman (Changes aren't permanent, but change is.)
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