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Psychologist: I Failed Abu Ghraib Soldier (Lynndie England)
AP ^ | 9/23/05

Posted on 09/23/2005 10:22:12 AM PDT by linkinpunk

Today: September 23, 2005 at 10:12:33 PDT

Psychologist: I Failed Abu Ghraib Soldier

By T.A. BADGER

ASSOCIATED PRESS

FORT HOOD, Texas (AP) -

A West Virginia school psychologist said Friday that he realized he had failed Lynndie England when he saw the Army private posing in prisoner abuse photos at Abu Ghraib.

Thomas Denne, who had worked with England since early childhood, testified that he and other educators focused too much on getting the mild-mannered girl through school and not enough on providing her with real-life skills.

"Maybe I thought, 'I didn't shoot high enough for Lynndie England,'" said Denne, who works for the Mineral County school system. "Maybe I thought, 'We should have taught her how to think.'"

Denne's testimony supported England's core defense that she was overly compliant and she did what her soldier boyfriend, Pvt. Charles Graner, told her.

Graner, who England has said fathered her son while they were deployed, is described by prosecutors as the ringleader of detainee abuse at Abu Ghraib.

"She would seek some form of authority in order to follow," Denne said. "She almost automatically, reflexively complies."

England, 22, was charged with seven counts of conspiracy and abuse that carry a maximum sentence of 11 years in prison.

She became the most recognizable of the Abu Ghraib soldiers charged with abuse when the photos of naked detainees on leashes and in other demeaning poses became public.

Two former guards at the Iraqi prison testified Thursday that Graner dominated England, but Graner stopped short of agreeing in his testimony.

Graner said England was generally compliant and trusted him, and that she had no reason to believe he would do anything "illegal or inappropriate."

Ex-guards Robert Jones and Pvt. Ivan Frederick said Graner's strong personality trumped military rank to make him the de facto leader of the prison section where the abuse occurred.

Graner surrounded himself with people with weaker personalities, including England, Jones said.

Frederick said England was naive and completely devoted to Graner, who was convicted in January and sentenced to 10 years in prison.

"Did she do everything he asked?" asked Capt. Jonathan Crisp, lead defense lawyer.

"Pretty much, yes," replied Frederick, a former staff sergeant now serving a 7 1/2-year prison term for mistreating prisoners at Abu Ghraib.

But another convicted former guard, Pvt. Jeremy Sivits, said England appeared to enjoy a November 2003 incident in which prisoners were stripped, forced to masturbate and stacked in a pyramid. She was laughing, he said.

"She seemed to be having a good time," Sivits said.

Prosecutors maintain that her smiles and thumbs-up in the photos show she was a willing participant.

Frederick outranked Graner at Abu Ghraib, but he said he was afraid of Graner's temper and didn't try to tell him what to do.

"I didn't want no conflict," said Frederick. "I didn't want to die that way."

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KEYWORDS: lynndieengland; psychology
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1 posted on 09/23/2005 10:22:13 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: linkinpunk

Free the woman. She didn't do anything wrong.


2 posted on 09/23/2005 10:27:46 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: linkinpunk
There's something genetically distinctive about this individual.

I wonder what her parents look like - she looks like what my great-aunt would call a "tinker" and what I would say looks like a half-aboriginal Aussie, not a West Virginian.

3 posted on 09/23/2005 10:28:37 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: linkinpunk

'We should have taught her how to think.'

Whoa...the NEA is NOT gonna like this!


4 posted on 09/23/2005 10:28:50 AM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: linkinpunk

Is that the kid that used to be on Lost in Space?


5 posted on 09/23/2005 10:29:54 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: linkinpunk
That's some résumé.
6 posted on 09/23/2005 10:30:04 AM PDT by dighton
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To: linkinpunk
"Maybe I thought, 'I didn't shoot high enough for Lynndie England...'"

Maybe a two-handed grip would have helped.

7 posted on 09/23/2005 10:30:47 AM PDT by RichInOC ("The coffee is strong at Cafe du Monde, the doughnuts are too hot to touch..." Save the Big Greasy!)
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To: linkinpunk

I wonder what Danny Bonaducci (sp?) thinks of this???


8 posted on 09/23/2005 10:30:59 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: linkinpunk
"Maybe I thought, 'I didn't shoot high enough for Lynndie England,'" said Denne, who works for the Mineral County school system. "Maybe I thought, 'We should have taught her how to think.'"

That's the defense? She wasn't taught how to think?
9 posted on 09/23/2005 10:34:22 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: linkinpunk

she looks like ET. should have phoned home more often.


10 posted on 09/23/2005 10:40:07 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: linkinpunk

So was it this guy's fault that the "woman" was a whore?


11 posted on 09/23/2005 10:40:21 AM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: linkinpunk

Lost in Iraq...

Mike

12 posted on 09/23/2005 10:43:36 AM PDT by MichaelP (Democrats....the EVIL within)
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To: lilylangtree
With respect, I disagree with you.

That woman failed to disregard an unlawful order. The U.S. Army is very, very clear that lawful orders are to obeyed, unlawful ones are not to be followed.

"I was only following orders" is not an excuse. A soldier knows right from wrong.

I find the people she was guarding to be repugnant. I understand why anyone would want to hurt them in any fashion possible. A good, well disciplined soldier does not give into those impulses, however. This woman is not good, nor is she truly a soldier. She is an embarrassment and I hope to God she is given the strongest punishment possible under the UCMJ for what she did and for the shame she has brought on the most noble profession possible, the profession of arms.

13 posted on 09/23/2005 10:44:17 AM PDT by Volunteer (Just so you know, I am ashamed the Dixie Chicks make records in Nashville.)
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To: caver

Danny from the Partridge Family.


14 posted on 09/23/2005 10:47:55 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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Ah, that's why he looked familiar.


15 posted on 09/23/2005 10:56:01 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: linkinpunk

Not taught how to think ? We're all born knowing how to think. What she never learned, or had crushed out of her, was HOW TO THINK FOR HERSELF.


16 posted on 09/23/2005 10:56:03 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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"Maybe I thought, 'We should have taught her how to think.'"

Priceless.

17 posted on 09/23/2005 10:59:19 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired!)
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Not taught how to think ? We're all born knowing how to think. What she never learned, or had crushed out of her, was HOW TO THINK FOR HERSELF.

Or she was too lazy to bother thinking for herself, or she was too much of a coward to think for herself, or she was just bad and did what she did because she wanted to and thought she could get away with it.

18 posted on 09/23/2005 11:08:03 AM PDT by ahayes
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To: ahayes

I ain't forgivin' this maroon. She was just a bored hick-chick having some fun on a Saturday night.

There weren't any orders involved except "Hey, hold my beer and watch this!"


19 posted on 09/23/2005 11:17:11 AM PDT by lOKKI (You can ignore reality until it bites you in the ass.)
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To: wideawake
would say looks like a half-aboriginal Aussie

I would say not so much Aussie, as Australopithecus


20 posted on 09/23/2005 11:20:02 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired!)
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