A bipartisan rebellion(Illegal Immigration)

Pittsburgh Live ^ | October 4, 2005 | James Pinkerton

[SC33]

The sleeper issue in the 2008 presidential election is immigration. Actually, as a recent straw poll shows, it's waking up. Since the 1960s, the elites in both parties have been solidly pro-immigration. Democrats, for their part, have figured they could burnish their anti-racism, pro-multiculturalist credentials by opening America's borders to the world's teeming masses.

[tdewey10]

I don't think of myself as a Republican elite, but I remain staunchly pro-immigration (I've said it before, I'll say it again. People = Power, If we are to remain the world's superpower, we must ensure a high population growth for our country). Of course I am opposed to illegal immigration.

And yes I know that 89% of the other freepers disagree with me on this one ;-)

[SC33]

Immigration is one thing. It helped to build this country. That being said, we cannot continue to take in more immigrants on an annual basis than the rest of the world combined(believe I read that somewhere here). We cannot continue to allow millions of illegals to come across our borders and expect to survuve as a nation.

What makes you think that adding millions of immigrants each year will help us to remain a superpower? There are millions of recent immigrants(legal but predominantly illegal) who have no attachment to or love for this country. I saw a recent poll in which more than half of all Mexicans living here believe that the Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico. If that does not provide some clue as to where we are headed, I don't know what will.

[45Auto]

One thing is clear: a welfare state with open borders cannot survive.

[cripplecreek]

If our government thinks they can continue to ignore the will of the people on this issue all of their jobs are in jepordy.

[DumpsterDiver]

ping

[azhenfud]

1) I am in favor of the United States government securing America's citizens and believe the most immediate and effective method to accomplish this is by restricting the flow of illegal aliens into the U.S. by the construction of a continuous 24 ft high linear border barrier structure topped with razor wire and to reduce or end the attraction of felon employers by assessing disabling fines and/or penalties.

2) I am in favor of the Fourteenth Amendment being redefined - even if at individual state levels - to clarify that any citizen of the United States must have been born of or adopted by a citizen or legal resident of the United States and that at least one parent or legal guardian prove citizenship or legal status before a birth certificate is issued by any agency. Any child born in the US not of a citizen or legal resident shall be issued a certificate of birth with non-citizen status clearly marked so that birth may not be used to complicate deportations of illegal aliens.

3) I'm in favor of developing and implementing a scannable social security card system containing embedded digital information and images that can be electronically compared via network to that of national databases which would help reduce fraud, and the linking of those card ID's to state DMV licenses and state voter registrations. By making the SSI cards scannable and verifiable online, many excuses felon employers and illegal employees now use to circumvent our immigration code would be reduced or eliminated as well as helping eliminate claims of ignorance which complicate successful prosecutions. This system would also help reduce incidents of identity theft, thus providing consumers added security from those with malicious intent as well as adding valuable security in the information off shoring craze taking place where consumers' personal and financial information is being distributed among countries and entities not subject to U.S. courts' jurisdiction.

4) After such ID is implemented, I believe our government should set a firm date whereby all employers will have had to verified the status of all their employees and after that cut-off date, those still intent, charged with, and found guilty of the felony of hiring illegal aliens would be fined $50,000 for each violation or a minimum sixty percent of their annual net revenue. After that date, the government should allow enforcement of our immigration code to the letter and insist on apprehensions by any and all appropriate law enforcement authorities and should tie local governments' receiving federal monies to enforcement compliance. I believe it has become necessary we implement a system of bounties for both the apprehension and successful conviction of those felons and for the detainment and deportation of illegal aliens. Those states' Attorneys General should be given enforcement capabilities and allowed enforcement discretions within their respective states without hindrances from courts of law obstructing their duties.

5) I am in favor of taxpayer funded programs which are currently misused to pay able bodied people to not work to either cease to do so through more strict controls, be reduced so as to be considered as supplemental levels only, or be phased out totally. I would propose any agricultural related employer who is found guilty of employing illegal aliens should immediately cease the right to employ persons under the Federal agricultural minimum wage for five years, the standard minimum wage rates would apply for the duration of that term.

6) In order to augment #2, I would push for a mandate that no one but a parent or legal guardian who is a legal U.S. citizen and has contributed to the Social Security trust fund for a minimum of twenty consecutive quarters may apply for taxpayer funded benefits or services on behalf of minor children. Legal immigrants are currently restricted by law from receiving taxpayer funded benefits for a minimum twenty quarters or five years so this requirement is in keeping with applying a measure of fairness for all and may help reduce the attraction of "anchor babies" as a means to circumvent and complicate U.S. immigration code and its enforcement. This measure would also require at least five years of prior gainful and legal employment of any recipient and show proof of their contributions to the Social Security trust fund.

7) I'm also in favor of removing immunities for all organizations which knowingly aid and abet illegal and fraudulent activity related to illegal immigration and in favor of aggressively seeking their demise should they insist on continuing to undermine U.S. law. These, by their very nature, are seeking to undermine established U.S. law and deserve prosecution to the law's fullest extent.

8) I'm in favor of establishing a Federal reimbursement system whereby monetary exchanges or transfers with countries whose illegal citizens "borrow" our taxpayer funded services are assessed, invoices prepared, and duties or taxes levied in percentage proportion by nationality of illegals apprehended as reported annually by our nation's Border Patrol.

9) I'm in favor of hospitals and health care providers being required to disclose publicly, in print, and upon demand, the names of all non-citizens/indigents receiving any medical care which is billed to or paid for by taxpayers along with the costs of those services billed or be penalized by losing reimbursements for any payments due to be paid from taxpayer funds. All hospitals and health care providers should be held openly accountable for how they spend or use public funds and accountable to the citizen first and the illegal alien only in emergency cases.

10) I am FOR the citizens of these United States to remain a sovereign nation and people, rejecting any outside influence of the United Nations in the laws and internal affairs of Americans. Cooperation from a position of strength is the foremost bargaining chip the USA should bring to the UN's table.

But, I'm not a candidate.

[JoeBob]

Legal immigration helped this country to grow and prosper.

Most of that growth and prosperity was due to European immigrants that came here intending to work toward a better life for themselves and their children.

By allowing the uneducated, unskilled and diseased people from every third world country on the planet into the U.S. does not help our growth or prosperity.

Surely it gives the socialist democratic party more votes, in return for which they will provide welfare, education, medical aid and other benefits to any of the above mentioned uneducated people that ask for them, at the expense of those of us that work and pay taxes.

Pres. Bush is wrong if believes those people will vote Republican. If the Republicans follow the Democrats lead and promise the free goodies it will destroy the party.

After almost a lifetime of supporting the Republican Party I lean more and more toward the Constitution Party. I feel that the GOP has deserted me. It appears that the only concern politicians have today is to retain or acquire power and the good of the country be damned.

[HiJinx]

And yes I know that 89% of the other freepers disagree with me on this one ;-)

I think you'd be surprised how many FReepers actually do agree with you, with a couple of qualifiers. Legal immigration with reasonable quotas and strict controls is good for the reason (loosely) that you point out.

That does not describe the current situation and is why 89% of FReepers are upset over what others blithely call 'immigration'.

[SwinneySwitch]

Don't know anyone who is opposed to legal immigration!

[Riverine]

Did you write that? Nicely crafted.

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

There is a huge difference between immigration and CRIMINAL INVASION!

[azhenfud]

Yes. Thanks!

[Melas]

And with suggestions like that, you'll never be a candidate.

[tom paine 2]

Legal immigration with qualifications like a college degree, a certain skill like nursing and a health inspection.

[Iron Matron]

Thanks for the ping. Another idea is helping Mexico as a country. Vicente only has to ask for our help..I'm sure our military could help with their criminal networks same as we do the "insurgents" in Iraq.

Then, we could help them rebuild their cities, put some safe schools in..maybe Mexicans would want to stay in Mexico if it was cleaned up..Mexico is very beautiful in places..and most of the people are very nice.

[SC33]

I'm not even sure that is the answer. I've never been one to judge a person based on the degree on their resume. I do understand what you are saying, however, about not just letting every and anybody in. There should be some plan here. I think your point speaks directly to the idea that we should eliminate the diversity visa lottery program, and I agree 100%.

[omega4412]

I'd add

11. No person who has ever entered the US illegally or remained here illegally shall be eligible for citizenship or legal residency.

12. No transmittal of sensitive personal information -- credit information, medical records, etc -- outside the jurisdiction of the US courts.

[ckilmer]

illegal immigration is the trojan horse of the internationalists. They realize they can't just institute a one world world government so the plan is to create increasingly larger blocks.

The idea in the new world is to join first the countries of north america and then join north america to south america.

The reason bush called the european threat to NOT include turkey in the eu "Catastrophic" recently is that the deal is that the US would include mexico and europe would include turkey. If the euro's balked at including turkey--as they will--then the USA will look like a bunch of a--holes.

The Europeans will manage to get around the problem of turkey -- and prevent turkish emmigration into EU countries --by setting up some kind of special realationship with Turkey which precludes Turkey from exporting people.

Hapless USA here is not really getting it.

Importing Mexicans on a mass scale -- makes the USA incredibly vulnerable to the world class incompetance of Mexican government.

Think the USA can have whole states swamped/taken over by mexican emmigrants and not have those states be run by mexicans and become as badly run as any in mexico?

The numbers for this importation of mexicans don't add up on any scale. The raid of federal obligations mounts daily.

This whole thing is one incredibly bad deal for the USA.

And if you happen to speak english of course, guess what? When they glop on south america to north america--english speakers will be the minority.

And we will be subject to the simple joys of latin american overlordship.

[blackie]

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