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Women in burkas face benefit cuts
TIMES ONLINE ^ | 10/14/05 | Anthony Browne

Posted on 10/13/2005 6:17:57 PM PDT by Pikamax

Women in burkas face benefit cuts By Anthony Browne, Brussels Correspondent

A DUTCH city is to cut benefits for unemployed Muslim women whose refusal to take off their burkas stops them getting jobs. Utrecht City Council voted for the measure the day after the Dutch Government announced plans to ban women wearing the burka in some public places as a security measure, and on the same day that Maria van der Hoeven, the Education Minister, urged a ban on burkas in schools.

The burka, a traditional women’s dress in some Muslim societies, covers the entire body except the eyes. The sanctions also apply to women wearing a face-concealing veil, or niqab.

Utrecht made the decision after two Muslim women receiving €550 (£380) a month in unemployment benefits told the jobcentre that they did not attend job interviews because no one would employ them because of their burkas, which they refused to remove.

A spokesman for the city said that the problem was not widespread, but added: “It is a point of principle which applies to all women who refuse to remove their burkas for job interviews. People get benefits when they are out of work but there is also an obligation to do everything to get a job. These women were educated, spoke good Dutch and had opportunities in the labour market.” The city will cut the women’s benefits by 10 per cent a month if they continue to refuse to take off their burkas for job interviews.

Utrecht based its decision on the Work and Social Security Act, which states that somebody receiving welfare must not do anything to prevent getting work. The city also noted that the Equality Commission, an official anti-discrimination body, backed employers who refused to give jobs to people wearing burkas, because being able to see someone’s face was an essential part of many jobs.

Rita Verdonk, the Minister for Integration and Immigration Minister, said that wearing the burka should be banned where it is a threat to security because it could be used by terrorists for concealment. She announced an investigation into when and where the burka should be banned, and will give details in two months.

No country has banned the the burka in public, although several Flemish-speaking Belgian towns have done so.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dutch; europeanmuslims; islam; muslimwomen; netherlands; utrecht

1 posted on 10/13/2005 6:18:00 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax
two Muslim women receiving €550 (£380) a month in unemployment benefits told the jobcentre that they did not attend job interviews because no one would employ them because of their burkas, which they refused to remove.

So what gainful, burka-clad employment did they have before they became unemployed? Or did they only develop a sincere attachment to the burka after they became unemployed, and decided living on the dole was a better deal than working?

2 posted on 10/13/2005 6:20:33 PM PDT by Tax-chick (When bad things happen, conservatives get over it!)
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To: Pikamax
"...a traditional women’s dress in some Muslim societies..."

I would suggest to the author: Name them please.

3 posted on 10/13/2005 6:22:20 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Tax-chick

when in Rome...they move to non-muslim countries then try and enforce muslim customs..about time someone said "enough"..you come to our country you obey OUR laws..


4 posted on 10/13/2005 6:23:21 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (Honest officer, I wasn't speeding.....I was qualifying)
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To: Pikamax
I thought women who wear burkas weren't supposed to leave the house, except as needed, and that the burka is to shield her while in public.

In such a society, the women are not supposed to be working.

How can they violate that principle yet hold to the costume which exists because of the principle?

Same goes for those who try to get drivers' license photos in a burka. Sort of defeats the idea of taking a picture.

Why can't these women get jobs at health spas for women, where they would not need to wear a burka, working in the company of women only? How about women's bathroom attendant?

6 posted on 10/13/2005 6:24:57 PM PDT by weegee (The lesson from New Orleans? Smart Growth kills. You can't evacuate dense populations easily.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Funny how it was just so stated last week....... You will like this! :-)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1500092/posts


7 posted on 10/13/2005 6:29:02 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (The Price of Freedom is Written on the Wall.)
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To: Baynative; GeorgiaDawg32

Beats working for a living.

I think if a person wants to wear a burka, or a spacesuit, they should be allowed to do that. However, if employers don't want to hire you dressed like that, they shouldn't have to. Get a job as a work-at-home word processor, or a babysitter for other Moslem women.

Saudi Arabia - your prototype of Islamic fundamentalism - doesn't generally let women work outside the home at all, except in special situations like women's medical care. This is why I think the whole thing is a set-up to collect unemployment benefits with no intention of ever working.


8 posted on 10/13/2005 6:29:50 PM PDT by Tax-chick (When bad things happen, conservatives get over it!)
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To: JoeSixPack1

yup, I saw that a while back..but the basis is there..you move here, you want the money, jobs and everything else, you conform to US..don't expect to collect the benefits AND expect us to conform to you...


9 posted on 10/13/2005 6:34:29 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (Honest officer, I wasn't speeding.....I was qualifying)
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To: Tax-chick
Do they have the equivalent of an ACLU in Dutchland?

I hope not.
10 posted on 10/13/2005 6:35:12 PM PDT by MagnoliaB
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To: MagnoliaB

I don't know about the ACLU. The whole place is so leftist that you wouldn't notice an organized group :-).


11 posted on 10/13/2005 6:37:30 PM PDT by Tax-chick (When bad things happen, conservatives get over it!)
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To: Pikamax

How can you tell if its a woman in a Burka. If Arnold Schwarzneggar wore a Burka you couldnt tell him from the average Arab Muslim --maybe a little taller .


12 posted on 10/13/2005 6:45:25 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Pikamax

Wait until they start denying unemployment benefits to women in burkas who refuse jobs as prostitutes.


13 posted on 10/13/2005 6:48:33 PM PDT by fat city ("The nation that controls magnetism controls the world.")
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To: Pikamax

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.


14 posted on 10/13/2005 7:52:02 PM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats: We must become more effective at fooling people.)
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To: Pikamax

"The city will cut the women’s benefits by 10 per cent a month if they continue to refuse to take off their burkas for job interviews."

10%? That's not enough.


15 posted on 10/13/2005 10:41:54 PM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: Pikamax

Cut 10%? It ought to be cut 10% per month until it equals zero. There is no reason to pay someone unemployment benefits if they are not seriously attempting to get a job. That includes doing what is necessary to obtain one.


16 posted on 10/13/2005 10:49:47 PM PDT by McGavin999 (We're a First World Country with a Third World Press (Except for Hume & Garrett ))
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To: McGavin999

Especially since burkhas are custom and not religion. All Mohammed ever said was to dress modestly.


17 posted on 10/14/2005 7:04:21 AM PDT by From many - one.
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