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Nazi March Canceled When Police Disperse Rock-throwing Protesters (ongoing looting)
nbc24.com ^ | 10/15/2005 | N/A

Posted on 10/15/2005 10:30:55 AM PDT by sageb1

TOLEDO, Ohio (AP) - Police used tear gas to break up a rock-throwing crowd that had gathered to protest a planned march Saturday by the National Socialist Movement.

At least two dozen members of a Roanoke, Va.-based group that calls itself "America's Nazi Party" had gathered at Wilson Park just before noon and were to march under police protection.

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TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: canadians; gangs; mediabias; nationalsocialists; nazisvscommies; notapeacemovement; oh; ohio; racewar; racialdivision; riot; socialists; toledo; toledoriot
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To: DJ MacWoW

That depends - can I get some new Nikes out of the deal?

By the way - outside groups are influencing my and your towns every single minute of every day, with tax laws, hiring requirements, education requirements etc etc. Can I trade that influence for a couple of jokers having a parade down my street - please? Just because I don't like it does not give me the right to riot.

The rally was legal. The rioting was illegal - on numerous points. Excuse making won't fix it.

There certainly is more to this story. Let's hope all crimes and conspiracies are thoroughly investigated.

Hey - come to think of it - when I lived in LA a group from outside my neighborhood did come through to "clean it up" and rob every store they could get into. Thanks for reminding me. As I remember it - they did not have a permit, and I didn't like it. Is that the type of group you are thinking of?

There is a difference between protected speach and looting.


501 posted on 10/15/2005 3:44:57 PM PDT by Mr. Rational (God gave me a brain and expects me to use it)
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To: ChadGore
There isn't much differance. They're both blinded by hate.

And you think "hate speech" should be outlawed?

502 posted on 10/15/2005 3:48:31 PM PDT by TaxRelief ("Conservatives are cracking down!" -- RushLimbaugh, October 13, 2005)
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To: calex59
Some people would tell you I'm out of my frickin mind, but that's a different story. Maybe I don't know what's going on. The headline I saw said some neo-nazis came out in public to have a parade or something and were set upon by members of the public who were nearby.

Okay... was I misinformed?

503 posted on 10/15/2005 3:50:42 PM PDT by OKSooner
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To: Jack Black; Dr. Eckleburg

There was a reason hate speech laws were enacted.
Free Speech has its limits.


504 posted on 10/15/2005 3:51:07 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: Mr. Rational
That depends - can I get some new Nikes out of the deal?

They weren't stealing from stores. They were in a Polish neighborhood.

Can I trade that influence for a couple of jokers having a parade down my street - please?

I see you don't know what's going on.

Just because I don't like it does not give me the right to riot.

The SC said that if a march etc is going to cause civil unrest that the local government has the right to deny a permit. There has to be common sense if outside forces are trying to cause a war on your turf.

There certainly is more to this story. Let's hope all crimes and conspiracies are thoroughly investigated.

I hope so. Toledo said they intend to view tape and there will be more arrests. I hope so.

There is a difference between protected speach and looting.

Not all speech is protected. If it's meant only to inflame and is irresponsible, the SC said it doesn't have to be allowed.

505 posted on 10/15/2005 3:54:45 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: freema

There's a reason hate speech laws were enacted alright. To silence dissent from the PC liberal agenda.

"Hate" speech is not evenly defined. There are those on the left who say minorities cannot be racist because they don't have the power structure to keep anyone down.


506 posted on 10/15/2005 3:55:13 PM PDT by weegee (The lesson from New Orleans? Smart Growth kills. You can't evacuate dense populations easily.)
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To: NapkinUser
As bad as the Nazis are, they have the right to have their march. It's sad that people can't see that and have to start a riot.

They know very well that even pedophiles have a right to march. Their intent is to introduce legislation that limits the activities and speech of those with whom they disagree. They urged this looting and violence with precisely the intention of stopping public demonstrations from all but the "chosen few". If I had to bet my dog's life on who is behind this, I would go with the homo-militants.

507 posted on 10/15/2005 3:55:36 PM PDT by TaxRelief ("Conservatives are cracking down!" -- RushLimbaugh, October 13, 2005)
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To: OKSooner
according to the Fox article about 25 members and a neo-nazi/semi-nazi group were having a protest today to protest Black gangs crime against white people...the protest never go started becuase of well..black gang violence/crime

unfortunally look for a nazi/KKK march in your city soon...becuase this is the best PR they could of ever gotten

508 posted on 10/15/2005 3:55:57 PM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: DJ MacWoW

Hey Look - Let's All Riot!!!!!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1503149/posts

If only I lived in DC I could get some booze out of a local bar. (I'm not dumb enough to burn down my own local bar.) That would be OK - right?

Maybe its not too late - I could still drive to DC ...


509 posted on 10/15/2005 3:56:04 PM PDT by Mr. Rational (God gave me a brain and expects me to use it)
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To: freema

"There was a reason hate speech laws were enacted.
Free Speech has its limits."

Are you saying you agree with hate speech/crime legislation?


510 posted on 10/15/2005 3:56:29 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: OKSooner

Police are seen in a stand off with an unrully group of prosestors, Saturday, Oct. 15, 2005, in Toledo, Ohio, where violence erupted between police and local protestors. A crowd that gathered to protest a planned march Saturday by a white supremacist group turned violent, throwing baseball-sized rocks at police and vandalizing vehicles and stores, including setting a bar on fire.

Any Anarchist should be shot on site...

511 posted on 10/15/2005 3:56:35 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Mr. Rational

The bar is closed.


512 posted on 10/15/2005 3:56:38 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: freema
Free Speech has its limits.

Hmmm. That's what Hitler said when he locked up anyone who even attempted to defend the Jews.

513 posted on 10/15/2005 3:59:25 PM PDT by TaxRelief ("Conservatives are cracking down!" -- RushLimbaugh, October 13, 2005)
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To: janetjanet998

Call to Action Against Neo-Nazis in Toledo!
by ARA Toronto Friday, Oct. 14, 2005 at 2:23 AM
info@aratoronto.org (416) 929-2296

On Saturday October 15th, the National Socialist Movement - better known as America's Nazi Party - has announced that they will be marching through North Toledo. Like hell we'll let them...


Opposition to Neo-Nazi March in Toledo

On Saturday October 15th, the National Socialist Movement - better known as America's Nazi Party - has announced that they will be marching through North Toledo to "protest black crime." The march route they have chosen takes them directly through a predominantly African-American and Polish community, where residents are preparing to oppose these fascists.

Anti-fascists from the Midwest are planning to join local residents in protesting against this neo-Nazi invasion of a Toldeo neighborhood. A counter-demonstration has been called for 8:30AM at Manhattan Plaza (near Manhattan and Stickney Avenues in the North End). Local anti-fas have received word that they will be joined by members of Anti-Racist Action and other organizations from all over the country.

Organizers of "Erase the Hate", a collaborative effort of 20 area educational, religious, and community organizations, are hoping for public support for their event--a counter-rally some distance for the neo-nazi march. It will be held at noon on Oct. 15 at the Zablocki Senior Center on Lagrange Street.

While it may appear that the NSM is just a fringe group, and that it is not worthwhile to oppose such a group, it is important to note that there is currently a power vacuum in the white power movement. With Matt Hale, the leader of the World Church of the Creator in jail, and the death of William Pierce, the founder and head of the National Alliance, other fascists are feeling lost without any strong leadership. Other white power organizations like the NSM realize that this power vacuum exists and are attempting to fill it. It is for this reason that the NSM will attract fascists of all stripes – in numbers – to their demonstration in Toledo. Neo-Nazis are currently seeking organization, structure, and public organizing – all of which they will be looking to the NSM for on October 15th.

For this reason alone, it is important that anti-fascists show opposition in Toledo. This is not a time that we can we can sit back and ignore the organizing fascists are currently engaging in. We CANNOT give the neo-Nazis any room to organize and recruit. We must not allow the existing power vacuum to be filled. We must be there on October 15th in Toledo to take away any illusion of organization and power the NSM is trying to present. We must stand up and join together, sending a clear message that such activity is not welcome in our communities.

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CONTRA EL FASCISMO – CONTRA EL RACISMO

Hermanos y hermanas – la gente latina de Toledo – ¡debemos unir!

¡EN SOLIDARIDAD CON LA COMUNIDAD AFRO-AMERICANO!

¡EN DEFENSA DE TODOS LOS IMIGRANTES Y REFUGIADOS DE TOLEDO!

Este sabado, el 15 de octubre, el National Socialist Movement (NSM) – una organizacion racista y fascista que la gran mayoria de la pobulacion conocen como America's Nazi Party – va a tener una manifestacion y marcha entre el norte de Toledo en una accion "contra los criminales negros". Su marcha va a pasar entre las comunidades de los Afro-Americanos y la gente de Polonia. La gente de estos barrios estan preparando a luchar contra estos fascistas.

Antifascistas del midwest Estados Unidos, y de Canada, tienen planes a participar con los residentes de estos barrios, a protestar esa invasion de neo-Nazis en la ciudad de Toledo. Nuestra resistencia va a comenzar lo mismo sabado (el 15 de octubre) a las 8:30AM en Manhattan Plaza (cerca por las avenidas de Manhattan y Stickney en el norte). Miembros de Anti-Racist Action (ARA) – un grupo internacional de la juventud antifascista – van a participar con nosotros tambien, y estan en la ciudad a ayudarnos con esa batalla contra los diablos del NSM. En general, tenemos la solidaridad en esa lucha de mucha gente aqui en Toledo, y tambien de todos los partes del pais, y de Canada tambien.

Los fascistas quieren a ataqar nuestros barrios, a ataqar nuestra gente, y a ataqar la paz, la dignidad, y el respeto que tenemos para uno otro aqui en Toledo. Eso no permitiremos. Ya muchas veces ataqaban el NSM la comunidad latina en otras ciudades (como Minneapolis y Indianapolis). Necesitamos a ser en solidaridad con los Afro-Americanos de Toledo contra estos fascistas. ¡Venido ensamblenos a defender nuestra comunidad, y a luchar contra el racismo en Toledo, y para un futuro mejor para todos!

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE EN LA LUCHA ANTIFASCISTA...¡VENCEREMOS!


514 posted on 10/15/2005 4:01:40 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: DJ MacWoW

So?


515 posted on 10/15/2005 4:04:49 PM PDT by Crim (I may be a Mr "know it all"....but I'm also a Mr "forgot most of it"...)
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To: DJ MacWoW

The burned building has already been identified as a bar - thus a store.

You're right - I have no idea what's going on - rioting is good, drawing attention to it is bad. Louis Farrakhan is a national hero, only misguided Nazis are bad.

The SC is not and has not been involved in this ever. The rally had a permit. The permit was legal. End of argument.

You are making excuses for rioters. I believe that society needs to stop accepting this behaviour.

And after arrests are made, do you expect the justice Reginald Denny's attackers got? The law and societal expectations need to be color blind. No excuses.


516 posted on 10/15/2005 4:05:06 PM PDT by Mr. Rational (God gave me a brain and expects me to use it)
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To: Mr. Rational

The Nazis are saying the indy groups (communists) gave the egss and stuff to the black yutes, which started the mayhem.


517 posted on 10/15/2005 4:07:05 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Crim

post 509


518 posted on 10/15/2005 4:07:08 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

But, as you said earlier, there are residences above it.Ths were trashed and set on fire.


519 posted on 10/15/2005 4:07:17 PM PDT by Roccus (Able Danger? What's an Able Danger?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Oh - you are correct. That makes it OK. My mistake.


520 posted on 10/15/2005 4:07:22 PM PDT by Mr. Rational (God gave me a brain and expects me to use it)
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