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School cancels prom "orgy"
AP ^ | October 17, 2005 | Frank Eltman

Posted on 10/17/2005 7:21:55 AM PDT by Millee

Brother Kenneth Hoagland had heard all the stories about prom-night debauchery at his Long Island high school: students putting down $10,000 to rent a party house in the Hamptons; pre-prom cocktail parties followed by a trip to the dance in a liquor-loaded limo; fathers chartering a boat for their children's late-night "booze cruise."

Enough was enough, Hoagland said. So the principal of Kellenberg Memorial High School canceled the spring prom in a 2,000- word letter to parents.

"It is not primarily the sex/booze/drugs that surround this event, as problematic as they might be; it is, rather, the flaunting of affluence, assuming exaggerated expenses, a pursuit of vanity for vanity's sake - in a word, financial decadence," Hoagland said, fed up with what he called the "bacchanalian aspects."

"Each year, it gets worse - becomes more exaggerated, more expensive, more emotionally traumatic," he added. "We are withdrawing from the battle and allowing the parents full responsibility. (The school) is willing to sponsor a prom but not an orgy."

The move brought a mixed, albeit passionate, reaction from students and parents at the Roman Catholic school, which is owned by the Society of Mary (Marianists), a religious order of priests and brothers.

"I don't think it's fair, obviously, that they canceled prom," said senior Alyssa Johnson of Westbury. "There are problems with the prom, but I don't think their reasons or the actions they took solved anything."

Hoagland began talking about the future of the prom last spring after 46 Kellenberg seniors made a $10,000 down payment on a $20,000 rental in the Hamptons for a post-prom party. When school officials found out, they forced the students to cancel the deal; the kids got their money back, and the prom went on as planned. But some parents went ahead and rented a Hamptons house anyway, Hoagland said.

Amy Best, an associate professor of sociology and anthropology at George Mason University in Virginia and the author of "Prom Night: Youth, Schools and Popular Culture," said this is the first time she has heard of a school canceling the prom for such reasons.

"A lot of people have lamented the growing consumption that surrounds the prom," she said, noting it is not uncommon for students to pay $1,000 on the dance and surrounding costs: expensive dresses, tuxedo rentals, flowers, limousines, pre- and post-prom parties.

Edward Lawson, the father of a Kellenberg senior, said he and other parents are discussing whether to organize a prom without the sponsorship of the 2,500- student school.

"I don't think they have a right to judge what goes on after the prom," he said. "They put everybody in the category of drinkers and drug addicts."

Some parents picking up their children on a recent afternoon said they support Hoagland.

"The school has excellent values," said Margaret Cameron of Plainview, N.Y. "We send our children here because we support the values and the administration of the school, and I totally back everything they do."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: catholicschools; longisland; ny; prom
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"I don't think they have a right to judge what goes on after the prom,"

Moral realitism on display.
1 posted on 10/17/2005 7:21:55 AM PDT by Millee
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To: Millee

so the behavoir (booze/sex/drugs,etc.) that is the problem, it's the spending of money.

does the word "jerk" come to mind?


2 posted on 10/17/2005 7:24:09 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: Millee

Well, what the heck. If these kids want to have an after-hours party all they need to do is contact a few Minnesota Vikings. </ sarcasm>


3 posted on 10/17/2005 7:24:31 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("One might even go so far as to say ... he's mediocre." - Daffy Duck)
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To: Millee
"It is not primarily the sex/booze/drugs that surround this event, as problematic as they might be; it is, rather, the flaunting of affluence, assuming exaggerated expenses, a pursuit of vanity for vanity's sake - in a word, financial decadence,"

If you’re going to get coked up, drunk and laid, at least be poor about it.

4 posted on 10/17/2005 7:25:01 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Millee

"bacchanalian" is a good word to describe current teenageer attitudes.


5 posted on 10/17/2005 7:25:13 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: camle
so the behavoir (booze/sex/drugs,etc.) that is the problem, it's the spending of money.

does the word "jerk" come to mind?

(The school) is willing to sponsor a prom but not an orgy."

What are you talking about? Obviously everything is the problem or he would not have made the previous statement.

6 posted on 10/17/2005 7:26:16 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: camle

If they don't conside the "booze/sex/drugs,etc." to be a problem, then that's why there is a problem.


7 posted on 10/17/2005 7:26:43 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Millee
"I don't think it's fair, obviously, that they canceled prom," said senior Alyssa Johnson of Westbury. "There are problems with the prom, but I don't think their reasons or the actions they took solved anything."

Ummmmm... I would say it did!

8 posted on 10/17/2005 7:27:37 AM PDT by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: Millee

What kind of parents would actually encourage and sponsor such activities, especially for their daughters? Someday perhaps I'll meet one and ask in utter disbelief.


9 posted on 10/17/2005 7:27:43 AM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Millee
Good for Brother Kenneth.
10 posted on 10/17/2005 7:28:25 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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"I don't think they have a right to judge what goes on after the prom,"

Yes they do since this is a Catholic School and they expect a certain moral standard of behavior from their students.

11 posted on 10/17/2005 7:29:19 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: Millee

I wish my principal had canceled prom. That is the most worthless non-event in the world. It serves no purpose other than to spend a lot of money to be in uncomfortable clothes. I guess this is what I get for not being pro-active and trying to throw a huge after party that promised lots of sex, drugs and alcohol. When I have kids I'm going to be sure to tell them what it takes to get those things canceled.


12 posted on 10/17/2005 7:29:21 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You know, Happy Time Harry, just being around you kinda makes me want to die.)
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To: Millee
I remember the junior-senior prom from back in the 60's. It was a big event but nothing like what it has evolved into.

I think it makes sense to put an end to the ridiculous expense and debauchery which are the hallmarks of the modern prom.

13 posted on 10/17/2005 7:29:22 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: frogjerk
""It is not primarily the sex/booze/drugs that surround this event, as problematic as they might be; it is, rather, the flaunting of affluence, assuming exaggerated expenses, a pursuit of vanity for vanity's sake - in a word, financial decadence," Hoagland said"

THIS is what I'm talking about. he's more worried about the financial "decadence" than anything else. THAT brings to my mind the word "jerk".

14 posted on 10/17/2005 7:29:46 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: Millee
"I don't think it's fair, obviously, that they canceled prom,"

The only obvious thing here is that this poorly reared student is a future Dem voter.

16 posted on 10/17/2005 7:29:53 AM PDT by drt1
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To: Millee

Good for him.

To the people who like to idealize Catholic schools, I can speak from experience. You get the same garbage there that you do in public schools, only there's more money involved.


17 posted on 10/17/2005 7:30:19 AM PDT by Ace of Spades (Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: metmom

agreed. wonder how many teenage pregnancies - and/or abortions - result from this behavior?


18 posted on 10/17/2005 7:30:27 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: Millee

Hmmm...maybe everyone is at fault here. The parents for allowing the pre and post prom activities; the principal for allowing those pre and post prom activities to sway his thinking on the actual prom itself; and the kids for being too spoiled not to care.

I don't have a problem with the money the parents spent - it is their money and they can spend it as they please. It does, however, send a terrible message to their children. I DO see a problem with the drinking parties, etc. that are being organized by the parents. That is a horrible message to send.

ComPROMise: Let all the kids who do not attend the pre-prom parties attend the school prom. Let the others hold their own.

Admittingly, I could be WAY off on this one...


19 posted on 10/17/2005 7:30:43 AM PDT by GOPRaleigh (Liberals - who needs 'em.)
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School cancels prom 'orgy'

Not exactly. Now, the orgy can start earlier because the prom has been canceled.

20 posted on 10/17/2005 7:30:53 AM PDT by elli1
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