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To: kddid

I think the Dems have gotten to Fitzgerald. quietly of course, and we won't see the results until years from now. he'll end up as high ranking justice dept official should they regain the white house, or land some plum 7 figure job as a partner in a law firm linked to Dem interests.

I just don't think the Dems would be tossing around statements like this if they didn't know the indictments were in the bag.


12 posted on 10/22/2005 8:57:10 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

I have agreed with you before, and I am again....I think it is Soros that got to Fitzy.


23 posted on 10/22/2005 9:01:34 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: oceanview

"I just don't think the Dems would be tossing around statements like this if they didn't know the indictments were in the bag."

Really? I would just think they have been smoking their funny stuff again - you know, the grassy stuff that affects your brain.



25 posted on 10/22/2005 9:02:23 PM PDT by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen)
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To: oceanview
The Dems would so "toss around statements like this" over nothing but their own hopes and desires.

Miller was a "true heroine" and praised highly; now she's garbage. When they lauded her, they didn't know anything at all and I doubt that they know ANYTHING AT ALL about what is really going on now.

Their highs are so very high and their lows so very low, that they all need mass dosages of lithium!

28 posted on 10/22/2005 9:02:46 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: oceanview

Fitz doesn't know that indictments are in the bag, he hasn't decided if he's going to ask the jury per 6(e) if they want to issue a bill. Remember, the dems are getting their licks while people are still talking about this.

The law is on Libby and Rove's side.


36 posted on 10/22/2005 9:07:37 PM PDT by Perdogg ("Facts are stupid things." - President Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: oceanview
I just don't think the Dems would be tossing around statements like this if they didn't know the indictments were in the bag.


You doubt that seasoned liars might be lying....again?
38 posted on 10/22/2005 9:08:25 PM PDT by macamadamia
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To: oceanview

If they really thought they had it in the bag it wouldn't be Nadler making the announcement. Not when there's face time on the news free for the taking.


56 posted on 10/22/2005 9:16:35 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: oceanview
Democrat Maurice Hinchey, the N.Y. congressman who claims Karl Rove planted the CBS Rathergate memos.

Audio here



Rep. Hinchey's other claim to fame is his crusade to essentially regulate conservative talk radio out of existence via the "Media Ownership Reform Act."

127 posted on 10/22/2005 10:24:30 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: oceanview
"I just don't think the Dems would be tossing around statements like this if they didn't know the indictments were in the bag."

Don't know, but their commentary has gotten ever more hysterical and irresponsible.

This may be another sign of how they have become unhinged.

170 posted on 10/23/2005 4:43:43 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: oceanview
I have a sick, sinking feeling that you're right. The WH initial response to Katrina and the Miers nomination both show the second team or less is attempting to run the show. Yesterday the Washington Times reported that Rove has been almost completely distracted by this investigation and is not presently able to do the job he was hired for, which explains the remarkable ineptness of recent WH moves. Rove wouldn't be so seriously involved in this and distracted by it unless he deeply feared an indictment.

Given the legal weakness of the underlying case against Rove, et al, I suspect Fitzgerald has been getting people to testify again and again on essentially the same issues to develop conflicts of testimony where there weren't any in the first place and then use those conflicts to generate perjury and obstruction of justice charges. It isn't that hard a thing to do when a prosecutor has two years and unlimited funds to pursue this kind of activity. Indeed, given how hard it is to remember events over such a long period of time, it's very likely that good faith discrepancies between witnesses and within individual witnesses' testimony will develop, discepancies an unscrupulous prosecutor can exploit to manufacture perjury and obstruction of justice charges.

Worst of all, convictions aren't even needed in a situation like this. Being indicted is a horrific experience, one that's likely to cost Rove, Libby, or anybody else who is targeted well over a million dollars to defend against. Naturally, while the case is going on the man is incapacitated from doing his job. That incapacitation is just what the DemonRats want, even if there's no conviction. The present WH disorganization shows how destructive that incapacitation can be.

As a partial aside I can say that, although I oppose the Miers nomination and believe it's dead wrong, I continue wholeheartedly to support President Bush because we've got to win the WOT and defeat the DemonRats. The Miers thing is a family fight, and we must not let it destroy the family.

172 posted on 10/23/2005 5:48:41 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: oceanview
I just don't think the Dems would be tossing around statements like this if they didn't know the indictments were in the bag.

I hope you are wrong, but indictments don't prove guilt.

Of course the political damage will have been done

178 posted on 10/23/2005 6:13:47 AM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: oceanview
Fitzgerald is not a Democrat, surprisingly.

Fitzgerald has many bones to pick with Judith Miller, who once spoiled a Fitzgerald case, trying to nail terrorists posing as a Mideast charity. She implicitly warned them with an interview, even as Fitzgerald was on his way to seize their assets (this happened in Chicago a couple of years ago).

The NYT is screaming like a cursed wraith, with Loud Dowd condemning Miller as an out-of-control incompetent, executive editors not available for comment, or refusing to comment. The stonewall of blame at the NYT has begun.

Howard Dean says something else must be done if Fitzgerald does not indict someone in the Bush administration.

Finally, an Ithaca (the city of evil) Democrat wacko is on the warpath? Ill winds are blowing towards the left, I'd say, from all these indications. If a lib is demanding expanding an investigation, it's likely because nothing is coming from this one.

I don't think this tempest-in-a-teacup is going anywhere. We will see. But the way the NYT is going nuts this weekend, they behave as if they know Miller had nothing substantive, nothing illegal was done, and Wilson is a liar.

185 posted on 10/23/2005 9:54:30 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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