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Good genes beat good homes as guide to pupils’ school Success
Times Online ^ | 6 November 2005 | David Smith and Abul Taher

Posted on 11/07/2005 1:35:57 PM PST by shrinkermd

NATURE not nurture is the main determinant of how well children perform at school and university, according to a study to be published this week

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bellcurve; education; genetics; intelligence; iq; naturenurture; rutroh
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Never popular, never stated never mind seems to be the attitude towards this long standing finding.
1 posted on 11/07/2005 1:35:58 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

Choose your parents carefully.


2 posted on 11/07/2005 1:36:48 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: shrinkermd
...and all this time I thought it was my sex abusing teacher.


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3 posted on 11/07/2005 1:37:57 PM PST by Doogle (USAF...7thAF ..4077th TFW...408th MMS..Ubon Thailand.."69",,Night Line Delivery..AMMO)
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To: shrinkermd
But the new study, to be published in the Royal Economic Society’s Economic Journal, will argue that while income and home environment account for about 25% of educational attainment, inherited intelligence is responsible for the rest.

Doubling a family’s income would have only a small effect on educational performance, say the researchers, who examined more than 15,000 children, 574 of them adopted.

It found that on average the adopted children performed less well. This of course need not be a bar to success in life. Many adopted children, including Roman Abramovich, the Chelsea owner; Kate Adie, the BBC journalist; and Eric Clapton, the guitarist, enjoy spectacular careers.




What your parents gave you is important but how you USE it is even more important. I would not agree entirely with their assessment. Sanders, the Founder of Kentucky Fried Chicken was worth OODLES when he died. He was ADOPTED.

So it is a combination of what you inherit from your parents and what your environment encourages - excellence or being a "victim" ... .
4 posted on 11/07/2005 1:42:32 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: shrinkermd

It's both.


5 posted on 11/07/2005 1:43:07 PM PST by netmilsmom (God blessed me with a wonderful husband.)
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To: shrinkermd
Used to be, you couldn't get a grant for a study that might come out this way.

How times have changed.

6 posted on 11/07/2005 1:43:20 PM PST by thulldud (The Democratic military vote is the REAL "Army of One".)
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To: shrinkermd

Oh cool. So all we have to do from here on ... is a little genetic manipulation.....then house the little darlings in an incubator ......let the state house them in "indoctrination camps"... and we'll have a super race! Wait...didn't someone try that already? *smile*


7 posted on 11/07/2005 1:43:22 PM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Is this one worthy of the list? Looks like the "Bell Curve" revisited. It comes in cycles.

Stephen J. Gould is rolling in his grave.


8 posted on 11/07/2005 1:44:37 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: shrinkermd

Eugenics...never seems to go away, wonder why?


9 posted on 11/07/2005 1:46:01 PM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: netmilsmom

Murray and Herrnstein, "The Bell Curve", 1994. IQ is about 70% genetic.


11 posted on 11/07/2005 1:47:15 PM PST by GSlob
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That's debatable. He did well.

My point is that being "adopted" is not necessarily going to hold you back.
12 posted on 11/07/2005 1:48:33 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: sweetliberty

We need your tagline here...


13 posted on 11/07/2005 1:49:58 PM PST by null and void (People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.)
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To: I got the rope

Well, it might be worth revisiting: with more data now available, the researchers have narrowed the degree of IQ heritability: nowadays it is estimated to be about 70%, while Murray and Herrnstein held to a bit more conservative estimates.


14 posted on 11/07/2005 1:50:27 PM PST by GSlob
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To: shrinkermd

The importance of good jeans cannot be stressed enough.

15 posted on 11/07/2005 1:50:30 PM PST by M203M4
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To: nmh

They are not saying that every adopted person will be a failure, but that as a whole adopted children in wealthy families do not do as well in school as their biological counterparts.


16 posted on 11/07/2005 1:51:41 PM PST by LWalk18
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Never popular, never stated never mind seems to be the attitude towards this long standing finding.

Too true. One can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

17 posted on 11/07/2005 1:51:58 PM PST by surely_you_jest
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To: shrinkermd

Most teachers will tell you that parental emphasis on and attitude toward education is the most consistent predictor of performance.

Ability is a factor, however, especially in the earlier grades. In later grades, effort and focus pays big dividends.

Income always has been mostly a political measure.

Poor imigrant families with little money, however, pay for tutoring for their kids and build solid homework time into daily routines, while praising and rewarding good school performance. Those kids often perform the best, and achieve to their maximum ability, unlike many other children who do not.


18 posted on 11/07/2005 1:53:19 PM PST by Wiseghy (Discontent is the want of self-reliance: it is infirmity of will. – Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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>What your parents gave you is important but how you USE it is even more important. I would not agree entirely with their assessment. Sanders, the Founder of Kentucky Fried Chicken was worth OODLES when he died. He was ADOPTED.<

Perhaps the good colonel's parents were bright, but young and unmarried, thus giving baby Harlan up for adoption.

I have a friend, whose adoptive parents have 2 other, natural children. He's nothing like the rest of the family, in intellect or in social station now that he's an adult.


19 posted on 11/07/2005 1:55:00 PM PST by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: nmh

"Sanders, the Founder of Kentucky Fried Chicken was worth OODLES when he died. He was ADOPTED."

You are thinking of Dave Thomas of "Wendy's"


20 posted on 11/07/2005 1:55:40 PM PST by L98Fiero
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