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U.S. Anglicans called to 'repent'
The Washington Times ^ | November 12, 2005 | Julia Duin

Posted on 11/12/2005 3:56:42 PM PST by Mount Athos

Overseas Anglican archbishops told about 2,500 Episcopalians meeting in Pittsburgh yesterday they might have to leave the Episcopal Church unless its leaders "repent" at the church's General Convention next June for consecrating an openly homosexual bishop.

If Episcopal leaders refuse to back off from the 2003 installation of Bishop V. Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the prelates said they might boycott the 2008 conference of the world's Anglican bishops.

The mood at the David C. Lawrence Convention Center -- the site of the three-day Hope and a Future Conference sponsored by the Anglican Communion Network -- ranged from upbeat to dire as the foreign archbishops exhorted conservatives to hang tough.

"Bishops of the network must realize time is no longer on their side," Nigerian Archbishop Peter Akinola told the crowd. "This is your ... moment to make up your mind about what you want to do.

"Many of you have one leg in ECUSA (the Episcopal Church, USA) and one leg in the network. You must let us know exactly where you stand -- are you ECUSA or are you network?" he said.

The way won't be easy; in fact, Recife, Brazil, Bishop Robinson Cavalcanti, ousted by his own archbishop for siding with American conservatives, called his listeners "my partners in martyrdom."

He then compared the leaders of the 2.2 million-member Episcopal Church to those guarding Jesus' tomb after the Resurrection.

"In the deep of their souls, they are afraid, they are shaking," Bishop Cavalcanti said. "They know that spiritually, they are like dead men."

He concluded: "Don't be afraid of your bishop. Don't be afraid of losing your jobs, of losing your salaries. ... Many times the law of men needs to be broken so the law of God is obeyed."

(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: ecusa; fallout; homosexualagenda; homosexualbishop; leftistapostasy; leftistevil; schism

1 posted on 11/12/2005 3:56:43 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos
"In the deep of their souls, they are afraid, they are shaking," Bishop Cavalcanti said. "They know that spiritually, they are like dead men."
2 posted on 11/12/2005 4:13:48 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Mount Athos
I hope that the Episcopalians of New Hampshire are proud of their Bishop V. Gene Robinson.
The arrogance of him is astounding. Singlehandedly he creates an enormous schism in the already splintered Anglican, Episcopalian Church all over the world -- and smilingly, jovially and most arrogantly puts the nail in its coffin -- all for the right to sodomize his male lover....with the blessings of his church.
3 posted on 11/12/2005 4:16:20 PM PST by starfish923 ( It's never right to do wrong. Socrates)
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To: Mount Athos

The current Episcopal Church of the USA is likened unto a whitewashed sepulcher; claiming to be a church, yet filled with corruption. There is no pride to be taken in compromise with evil. Anyone who will not see the evil in the ECUSA is in clear danger of losing their immortal soul.

The church has lost 90 percent of its membership since the 1950s. This is a tragedy for a country who drew from its ranks many of its presidents and 40 percent of its military flag officers. No more.

The decline in membership is in line with the clear goal of those who have managed to take over the church. They would have us believe God is happy with each of us doing what we think is right. If everything is fine, who needs to go to church each Sunday to find that out?

The takeover of the ECUSA has been long in the planning. The changed "Book of Common Prayer" put in to effect in 1979 was done to allow confirmation of homosexuals. It is particularly important to note that the first queer bishop was not only openly, but an adulterer who left his wife and children for his queer lover.

Those who stay with the ECUSA must understand they are in an unholy alliance. They are not negotiating with Christians who have slightly differing views of God's intention, but devil buddies who are only interested in subverting God's will.

May you live in interesting times - Onne heck of a curse.


4 posted on 11/12/2005 4:50:48 PM PST by Rodentking (There is no God but Yahweh and Moses is his prophet - http://www.airpower.blogspot.com/)
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To: Rodentking
The current Episcopal Church of the USA is likened unto a whitewashed sepulcher; claiming to be a church, yet filled with corruption. There is no pride to be taken in compromise with evil. Anyone who will not see the evil in the ECUSA is in clear danger of losing their immortal soul.

Well, there is no pride in further dividing the church. And the church is more than one man and more than one Bishop. When will we begin to reunify the Church if we are so strident? I see evil in ECUSA as I see evil everywhere and in everyone. I am not saying this Robinson thing was not horrible, it was. But I did not become evil because of it. Nor did the fine people in my church family. The Lord also made clear that we should work to keep the church together, not split it apart. Humans are fallible.

The church has lost 90 percent of its membership since the 1950s. This is a tragedy for a country who drew from its ranks many of its presidents and 40 percent of its military flag officers. No more.

I did not realize that it used to be that big.

The decline in membership is in line with the clear goal of those who have managed to take over the church. They would have us believe God is happy with each of us doing what we think is right. If everything is fine, who needs to go to church each Sunday to find that out?

I am new to the church (and Jesus in general) so I don't understand the perspective you are giving here. Can you give me a flavor for what guidence the church used to give, and now doesn't?

The takeover of the ECUSA has been long in the planning. The changed "Book of Common Prayer" put in to effect in 1979 was done to allow confirmation of homosexuals. It is particularly important to note that the first queer bishop was not only openly, but an adulterer who left his wife and children for his queer lover.

Yeah, it causes problems on a lot of levels.

Those who stay with the ECUSA must understand they are in an unholy alliance. They are not negotiating with Christians who have slightly differing views of God's intention, but devil buddies who are only interested in subverting God's will.

Come on. This is at least hyperbole. I am in North Florida, and I can tell you that we have very little connection with New Hampshire. I am not sure what alliance you are referring to, but Bishop Robinson did not ordain my priest and I would not worship under a priest who was. But surely what matters is my relationship with God and his gifts. Call evil when you see it, but love the person anyway. I don't think God has to resort to guilt by association as he knows us a little more intimately than that.

I am interested in learning more about your views.
5 posted on 11/12/2005 5:17:47 PM PST by BillCompton
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To: BillCompton

Good points.

The problem is not further dividing the church, but rather not following the church in its decline into the pit.

You do not become evil because of Robinson, but the contributions you make to your local church are passed on to the diocese and further to the national church. You are funding the work of the national church.

Your local priest may not have been ordained by Robinson, but the person who did likely voted to ordain Robinson as a bishop. If he did not, he "gets along" with those who did.

You cannot compromise with evil. The result is predictable.

Check out Luke 12:51 and on:

Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.

The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

The point of this is that we unite with those who believe and not with those who do not. It is far more important to start unifying with those who believe than to worry about those who have heard the word, but choose not to believe.

As to guidance, pick up a copy of the 1928 Book of Common Prayer and read the Articles of Religion. Simplified, there is nothing necessary to salvation that may be required to be believed that cannot be proved by warrant of Holy Scripture. Belief in God, Honor and Country. Family is the central focal point. One must work hard to provide for one's family. One is responsible for one's own actions. Help should be given to those who cannot help themselves. Those who cannot work should be provided for. Those who will not work should starve. Our country is a special gift from God. We must take care of the gift we were given. We are stewards of our environment; we are to use the world in a manner consistent with that stewardship.

You and your local church are no doubt good people who believe in what is written in the Bible. You not only believe, but attempt to follow the instructions contained therein. Understand, those at the helm of the ECUSA do not. That is all.


6 posted on 11/12/2005 5:43:38 PM PST by Rodentking (There is no God but Yahweh and Moses is his prophet - http://www.airpower.blogspot.com/)
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To: BillCompton
But I did not become evil because of it. Nor did the fine people in my church family. The Lord also made clear that we should work to keep the church together, not split it apart. Humans are fallible.

You better get a clue, shake the dust off your feet and move on in the name of Jesus.

A denomination that votes to have a faggot, reprobate, spiritual degenerate as their spiritual leader is an apostate denomination. You are not the denomination.

7 posted on 11/12/2005 5:49:59 PM PST by Lester Moore (The headwaters of the islamic river of death and hate are in Saudi Arabia.)
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To: Rodentking

I can't recommend looking to the Roman Catholics - we still have our child molester-enabling bishop McCormack up here and the 'reform' cardinal in Boston, is sharing honors and the stage with pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage mayor Tommy Menino - at an event sponsored by THE biggest Catholic adoption agency in Boston - that recently bragged about the number of kids they place with gay couples.


8 posted on 11/12/2005 5:59:52 PM PST by NHResident (i)
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To: BillCompton
But I did not become evil because of it. Nor did the fine people in my church family. The Lord also made clear that we should work to keep the church together, not split it apart.

Was this made clear to Martin Luther?

9 posted on 11/12/2005 7:27:33 PM PST by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: SnuffaBolshevik
But I did not become evil because of it. Nor did the fine people in my church family. The Lord also made clear that we should work to keep the church together, not split it apart.

Or Henry the 8th?

10 posted on 11/12/2005 7:30:35 PM PST by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: Mount Athos
About 22 Anglican archbishops -- out of 38 total -- have either partly or completely broken relations with the Episcopal Church over the Robinson consecration. Episcopal leaders have signaled they do not intend to renege on the consecration at the 2006 General Convention.

Is that worldwide or just in the US?

11 posted on 11/12/2005 10:21:32 PM PST by tuesday afternoon
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To: tuesday afternoon

world wide


12 posted on 11/13/2005 8:42:05 AM PST by Mount Athos
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