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Russian pundit predicts Russia-Ukraine "gas war"
RIA Novosti ^ | 23/ 11/ 2005

Posted on 11/23/2005 1:55:50 PM PST by jb6

KIEV, November 23 (RIA Novosti) - Director of the Russian Political Research Institute Sergei Markov said Wednesday that a "gas war" between Russia and Ukraine is inevitable after the postponement of Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov's visit to Ukraine.

Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov had originally planned to visit Ukraine on November 23, but during a phone conversation with Ukraine's Prime Minister Yuriy Yekhanurov, agreed to determine a new date for the meeting after coordinating the issue of Russian natural gas supplies to Ukraine and its transit via Ukrainian territory in 2006.

"The Ukrainian leadership is counting on the fact that Russia has its interests and Ukraine has its strength: a gas pipe to Europe and support from its European partners and the United States. The Ukrainian leadership is therefore maintaining a very rigid stance and in fact the talks are collapsing," Markov said.

"Ukraine is leading things to a gas war and wants all issues to be resolved through a harsh standoff," he said.

The countries' leaders had previously reached an agreement on switching to European standards for gas payment calculations for 2006. However, Ukraine has now done a U-turn, "having realized that this way things would be substantially worse for them," Markov said.

"Ukraine is a neighboring brother-country and, unfortunately, its government contains anti-Russian forces... meaning, under current conditions, a gas war is practically inevitable," he said.

Gleb Pavlovsky, president of the Efficient Policy Foundation, said "there is no political sub-current to the postponement of the visit... The postponement happened for quite transparent reasons, as the main issue of tariffs had not been prepared in advance of the meeting."

Ukraine may be looking for "either some kind of very complex system of agreement through the Common Economic Space [Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine] or for full monetization," he said.

Vyacheslav Igrunov, the director of the International Institute for Humanitarian-Political Research, said "there is, in fact, a political sub-current to the postponement of the visit... Ukraine's uncompromising position to leave everything as it is will not lead to any development in relations between our countries.

"If Ukraine wants Russia to remain a serious trade partner, it should hold dialog with Moscow," he said.

The Russian political commentators are in Kiev, taking part in a seminar dedicated to the first anniversary of Ukraine's "orange revolution".


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: foreign; gas; glebpavlovsky; russia; ukraine

1 posted on 11/23/2005 1:55:51 PM PST by jb6
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To: jb6

Mexico will be supplying the burritos to both sides. It's going to get ugly... I mean, smelly.


2 posted on 11/23/2005 1:56:31 PM PST by thoughtomator (What'ya mean you formatted the cat!?)
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To: thoughtomator

Jet stream is from the West - advantage to the Ukrainians. It must be a very ignominious end - to suffocate in one's own gases.


3 posted on 11/23/2005 2:01:32 PM PST by GSlob
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To: thoughtomator

I was thinking borsht and cabbage. Oh, the humanity.


4 posted on 11/23/2005 2:28:36 PM PST by doodad
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To: GSlob

Not as bad as being burned alive by cold mobs pissed off that they can't import their heating. But such is the fate of most Soros candidates in the long run.


5 posted on 11/23/2005 2:34:14 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: doodad

Which type of borsh? There's only like 200+ recipes for "stew" aka borsh.


6 posted on 11/23/2005 2:34:52 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6

Which one is the most flatulunce producing? That one.


7 posted on 11/23/2005 2:37:00 PM PST by doodad
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To: doodad

That would be either kemsch or German beer soup but chilli is definitly a good runner up.


8 posted on 11/23/2005 2:45:10 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: doodad
>Russian pundit predicts Russia-Ukraine "gas war"
>>Which one is the most flatulunce producing?

Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out
They leave the west behind
And Moscow girls make me sing and shout
They Georgia's always on my my my my my my my my my mind
Oh, come on
Hey hey hey, hey, ah, yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I'm back in the USSR
You don't know how lucky you are, boys
Back in the USSR

9 posted on 11/23/2005 2:48:26 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: doodad

Geesh look at that spelling. What a flatudunce.


10 posted on 11/23/2005 3:03:03 PM PST by doodad
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To: thoughtomator
This is a part of a very old tradition: there was a long verse on military kitchen duty [no longer a verse in my verbatim translation from Russian:
Woe to him who's bunking next
To our kitchen detail:
With thunder and whistle of a cannonade
He - alive! - will be crapped all over;
He will suffer heavy loss:
They'll puke on him from all sides.
Such a person ought to shudder
And not even dream of avoiding his fate.
So you are right - it will become ugly.
11 posted on 11/23/2005 4:31:10 PM PST by GSlob
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ping


12 posted on 11/23/2005 9:54:37 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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Eastern European ping list


FRmail me to be added or removed from this Eastern European ping list

13 posted on 11/24/2005 11:44:19 AM PST by lizol
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