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Bad for a President Not to be Poll-Driven? Hersh Harps on W's Long-Range View
Today Show/NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 11/29/2005 5:17:43 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

by Mark Finkelstein

November 29, 2005 - 08:00.

Give me a moment, please. Got to let my head stop spinning. Been watching the Today show.

See, I thought we all agreed it was bad for presidents to be poll-driven, in the image of a Bill Clinton deciding everything from foreign policy to vacation destinations based on the latest shift in public opinion.

Turns out I was wrong, at least according to this morning's Today.

Matt Lauer interviewed New Yorker reporter Seymour Hersh, or "Sy" as Lauer chummily called him, regarding Hersh's piece in the magazine's current edition. As Lauer described the article, it portrays Pres. Bush as believing he has a "divine mission" to bring democracy to Iraq. Asked who was telling him that, Hersh responded:

Some of the people in the last few months with whom I've been talking for years are suddenly opening up and telling me some of their deeper concerns about this president's inability to adjust, to accept new information. I think he really does think that he's not going to be judged by today. The events on the ground will be judged in 20 years, 30 years or whatever.

But, but, but . . . isn't that good? Don't we want our presidents to set policy based on the nation's long-run best interests rather than on the ephemeral views of the day? Apparently not, per the MSM, at least so long as George Bush is in office.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: lauer; mediabias; syhersh; todayshow
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1 posted on 11/29/2005 5:17:45 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; netmilsmom; Diogenesis; YaYa123; MEG33; ...

Today Show/NewsBusters ping.


2 posted on 11/29/2005 5:18:33 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
For all that you have put yourself through watching "Jabroni-Fest" every morning: . . .
3 posted on 11/29/2005 5:21:22 AM PST by TheRobb7 (The American Spirit does not require a federal subsidy.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; kristinn; Doctor Raoul; hellinahandcart
I saw Sy Hersh recently on C-SPAM2 "Book Notes" at an event hosted by The Nation magazine. He was on the podium with Scott Ritter.

Hersh maintained that a USA Colonel was in charge of the troops killing non-combatants in the Al Qaim area (last month?). This guy was a Vietnam vet still on active duty and wrote some scathing critique some years back on VN. I do not recall the Colonel's name nor the book.

Most of Hersh's other criticisms were from unnamed sources. I got the distinct impression that this guy wallows in slime and is about as honest as Lardass Michael Moore.

Wasn't he discredited at some point (over Clinton scandals?)?

4 posted on 11/29/2005 5:25:59 AM PST by sauropod ("The love that dare not speak its' name has now become the love that won't shut the hell up.")
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To: TheRobb7

I deeply appreciate the sentiment, but really, it's too much. A month's supply of Nexium would be nice, though ;-)

By the way, you sent me scuttling to the online urban dictionary with your descripton of Today as a Jabroni-fest.- I see Jabroni means:

"a loser, poser, lame-a__." LOL.


5 posted on 11/29/2005 5:26:02 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Seymour Hersh was on CNN on Sunday basically saying the President was crazy

I guess this is the new DNC talking point


6 posted on 11/29/2005 5:27:57 AM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: sauropod

I am lovin' your tagline!


7 posted on 11/29/2005 5:28:27 AM PST by TheRobb7 (The American Spirit does not require a federal subsidy.)
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To: TheRobb7; dfwgator

Thank dfwgator. I could not fit his name in the tagline space.

I saw him say that one day and started ROFL. Now it's memorialized.


8 posted on 11/29/2005 5:30:39 AM PST by sauropod ("The love that dare not speak its' name has now become the love that won't shut the hell up.")
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To: Mo1
Seymour Hersh was on CNN on Sunday basically saying the President was crazy. I guess this is the new DNC talking point

Good grief. I am sure they will now pick up on John Fund's inexplicable (to me) allegation that the President is so volatile and angry that the people around him are afraid of him. I don't believe this for a minute and I cannot understand why he would say such a thing.

9 posted on 11/29/2005 5:31:51 AM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: TheRobb7; sauropod
I am lovin' your tagline!

LOL. Thanks for calling my attention to that.

10 posted on 11/29/2005 5:32:56 AM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Thanks as always Mark.

I should have watched this instead of the totally out of touch drivel embodied by the phone-in "interview" of Frank Rich by Dom Imus. Their attempt to completely rewrite history was nauseating. They drew the conclusion that the war in Iraq was unwinnable and we should just stop trying.

Made me so mad I had to beat the dogs and kick the cat. (Just kidding - but I was fit to be tied.)
11 posted on 11/29/2005 5:34:22 AM PST by hotshu
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Don't we all long for the good ol' days when the President of the United States would do focus groups on whether he should buy a dog.


12 posted on 11/29/2005 5:35:34 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Libs are poll driven because they base their opinion on what the public thinks at that time. The public, as we all know, is extremely fickle which is probably why the libs flip-flop so much.

Conservatives, real ones at least, have a core set of beliefs and work forward from that. If the polls favor us thats great. If they don't, thats too bad.

Leadership is not about doing what the public wants in the latest poll. Leadership is about doing what *you* think best. That is one (of many) libs will never be good leaders. Instead of making up their own minds, they let the fickle public do it for them.


13 posted on 11/29/2005 5:37:40 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (Liberalism is the disease of the stupid - The Great One)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Exactly. And there was that famous incident where Clinton wanted to vacation on Martha's Vineyard again but Dick Morris told him he had to go camping out West for image purposes.


14 posted on 11/29/2005 5:44:24 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: Mo1; governsleastgovernsbest

Yeah, I saw that segment with Blitzer and old "Sy" was implying that GWB's religion has put him in the "disturbed" zone and he may need "watchers" now.

Sy is so anti-religion as to be a bit disturbed himself.


15 posted on 11/29/2005 5:45:03 AM PST by Chuck54 (Free Scooter, Indict Joe W)
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To: Bahbah
I am sure they will now pick up on John Fund's inexplicable (to me) allegation that the President is so volatile and angry that the people around him are afraid of him. I don't believe this for a minute and I cannot understand why he would say such a thing

I haven't read that article yet

But if he's trying to say the President is ticked because of the outragous lies that have been said by the talking heads and the outrageous leaks from the CIA??

I'd be angry also

16 posted on 11/29/2005 5:55:02 AM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: sauropod
I got the distinct impression that this guy wallows in slime and is about as honest as Lardass Michael Moore.

And you would be right
This pimple on America's backside has a long history of America bashing and
is a "darling" of America hating liberal leftist

One of his speaking engagements;
On July 8, Seymour Hersh addressed the ACLU's 2004 Membership Conference.

17 posted on 11/29/2005 5:57:17 AM PST by apackof2 (I was born an American; I will live an American; I shall die an American. Daniel Webster)
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To: Mo1; Txsleuth
I haven't read that article yet

They were comments he made on Chrissy Matthews program last evening rather than an article. Txsleuth was watching and reported his remarks.

18 posted on 11/29/2005 5:57:25 AM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: Bahbah

I just found the post

The comment about not making more speeches is BS and Fund hasn't been paying attention to the news


19 posted on 11/29/2005 6:05:53 AM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; TheRobb7

I tought "Rock" the rassler invented Jabroni.


20 posted on 11/29/2005 6:25:13 AM PST by WKB (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance.. then Baffle them with BS)
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