Breaking: Al-Qaida No. 3 leader killed in Pakistan, U.S. and Pakistani officials say

NBC ^ | December 2 2005

[jmc1969]

More to come

[gathersnomoss]

Was the cause of death reeeally stinky panties from Club Gitmo?

[Former Proud Canadian]

Jeff

I forgot about the Korean explosions. There have been two. I am unaware of train explosions in Iran. When and where? Your memory and/or abilities to digest the avaliable information is much better than mine.

So, what you are saying is that there already is covert conflict with both regimes. Undertaken either by the Israelis or the US. Good. At least the battle has been joined.

[jveritas]

For the last two years he has been part of Al Aqeda terrorist group, in fact his terrorist group is called " Al Aqaeda in Bilad Rafidayn", i.e. " Al Qeda in Iraq", as Bild Alrifidayn= Country of the two rivers Euphrates and Tigers=Iraq.

[Dont_Tread_On_Me_888]

Thx for your response.

You and I would hope thjat it is possible (hopefully probable) that certain clandestine activities are going on now, but the thug leaders are still alive.

What we do know for sure is that financial warfare is not being waged against these nations nor is air power being used (e.g., for every Iranian IED that kills our troops, one air strike that takes out a strategic facility). We need to turn up the throttle on clandestine activities, and start financial and political warfare against these thug nations. No more of this "partial warfare" stuff.

Contrary to what the RATs want, we do not need to do less in Iraq, we need to do more in Iraq and certainly a LOT more against Syria and Iran--not with troops--but with nonconventioanl methods. If that means some of my cousins in Syria die, so be it.

Can you think of other ways we can spend less $, lose less lives, and be more effective? Interested in your thoughts. I firmly believe nonconventional warfare against Iran and Syria -- two nations actively waging war against us -- is a start.

[Southack]

"Iran's still spinning up uranium gas. Sanctions, political pressure, spec-ops, all in place, but Khameinei's still playing hardball. So what's your move?"

It's no great secret. First you flank Iran on the East and North by overthrowing the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Then you flank Iran in the West by Overthrowing Hussein in Iraq.

Later, you ratchet up the pressure by increasing international sanctions. Next you take sanctions one step further by blockading Iran's exports and imports.

In the meantime, you fill up the Strategic Petroleum Reserve while also funding Iranian dissidents.

If the sanctions/blockade works, great. Mission Accomplished. If not, then perhaps the dissident students will do the job for you.

If not, then you go to Plan C executed by the 3rd Armor Division, spec ops, and U.S. Air Force.

If that fails (it won't), then you nuke the bastards.

In short, we can't lose and they can't win. Not militarily. The most successful thing that "Radical Islam" has done has been peaceful immigration into Europe.

Should they insist upon a military solution, they will lose.

That's the key flaw in terrorism worldwide. The terrorists can't win at the military option. They simply can't inflict the sort of violence upon us that we can bring upon them.

We have used nukes before, and we'll use them again if that's what it takes. Ditto for chemical weapons. Same again, probably, for biological weapons...and frankly, it's doubtful that we'll even have to dip into those WMD arsenals as our conventional military hasn't yet been stopped wherever we've applied it.

[Dont_Tread_On_Me_888]

Iran has been under sanctions longer than Iraq was.

The sanctions are a joke! We don't send them munitions and no air travel, etc. In today's political correctness, we sent Iran millions of dollars after their two earthquakes (money that fed their nuclear program no doubt). That is not sanctions, that is BS.

Total financial warfare is far more robust than these Jimmy Carter style "sanctions".

Thanks for the book recommendations and your great points you made in your posts.

[jeffers]

If I was running iran, and I spotted even a single foreign bomber over my territory, I'd close the Gulf.

There's 4 ways to do it.

I probably couldn't keep it closed forever, but I could raise enough uncertainty over whether it'd be open on any given day, in the minds of speculators worldwide, to double the price of oil, maybe higher.

Let's see, I'll see your air raid and raise you a noncombattant ship sunk at the mouth of the Hormuz Strait, a fiery messy one with a big oil slick.

Your move, general.

[Dont_Tread_On_Me_888]

You think our wargamers at the Pentagon have already run that scenario through their simulations?

We best be doing that and we best have the capability to answer whatever scenario is thrown our way. If we can't dictate the flow and let them throw us off guard, we are in deep trouble.

So is Israel.

[jeffers]

"You think our wargamers at the Pentagon have already run that scenario through their simulations? "

I'd bet my last dollar on it.

I've been running them myself since around May 2002. No matter how you slice it, it escalates to a full scale war.

Once you recognize that, you plan for it.

You hit them so hard with the first blow that you darken the entire theater. They don't talk, they don't fuel, they don't trade, they don't watch TV.

You sit on their poor excuse for a SEAD network until the only components left are MANPADS and 57 mm's. Then when the freeway is clear, you send in the dumptrucks, making laps, day after day until every high value target is lit up, a smoking crater and the rubble is sand sized. For places like Esfahan, you assume they survived.

If you can't catch most of the ground units in one place and annihilate them, then you have no choice but to stick an armored column in their face until they coalesce. You fix them with artillery and CAS, and then vaporize them, vehicle by vehicle using JSOWS.

When that's finished, you drive on into Tehran and you go back and visit Esfahan and Lavizan and all the rest and see whether the GBU-28's penetrated 70 odd feet of the the earthen/reinforced concrete equivalent of Chobhan type II armor or not.

If you don't see the whole picture before you start, you end up with measured escalation.

We tried that once before. In Vietnam.

It didn't work.

[pleikumud]

It's time for the Demorats and other morons to say the Bush administration violated international law by killing a top terrorist on the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Which member of the Jackass Party will be the first to say this? Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton, Murtha, Pelosi, Levin, Schmuck Schumer, Biden, Boxer, Leahy, Howeird Dean, Reid, Obama, Nelson, Feinstein........? Or will it be a RINO, such as Collins or Snowe?

[Palladin]

Finally, we got #3....after getting 22 #2's.

[jeffers]

Southack wrote:

"It's no great secret. First you flank Iran on the East and North by overthrowing the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Then you flank Iran in the West by Overthrowing Hussein in Iraq.

Later, you ratchet up the pressure by increasing international sanctions. Next you take sanctions one step further by blockading Iran's exports and imports.

In the meantime, you fill up the Strategic Petroleum Reserve while also funding Iranian dissidents.

If the sanctions/blockade works, great. Mission Accomplished. If not, then perhaps the dissident students will do the job for you.

If not, then you go to Plan C executed by the 3rd Armor Division, spec ops, and U.S. Air Force.

If that fails (it won't), then you nuke the bastards."



3INF, not 3AD. A typo, I'm sure. Don't forget 1MAR. They'll want a piece of the pie too. 4INF got a raw deal last time around, they might want in too. Can't leave the Brits out, they'd never forgive us. They might want a resolution though. Well, at least a stab at one.

Mashad's too inviting to let it sit there, but hmmm, from the north, from the east, from the south, or all three?

The Zagros are going to be a pain no matter what, so do you come in from Suliemaniyah and Bushehr, or let the Kurds make noise up north and bring your spearhead in at Khorramshar?

Bandar's obvious, almost too obvious. What if you snuck in and hooked around the north side? How much trouble can they cause while cut off from all LOC's?

If we'd have played our cards right after Beslan, we could pull one of the all time classic sapper raids on Tehran from a direction so unexpected it'd melt their brain circuits.

Right up out of the Caspian.

Oh well, we'll just have to grind it out the usual way, no real surprises, not to our army, not to theirs.

Think they'll force us to reduce Qom?

[EGPWS]

Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton, Murtha, Pelosi, Levin, Schmuck Schumer, Biden, Boxer, Leahy, Howeird Dean, Reid, Obama, Nelson, Feinstein........? Or will it be a RINO, such as Collins or Snowe?

All of them in unison as usual.

After all when politics takes precedence over country and America's well being....

[Southack]

Qom already holds nuclear waste that resulted from an experiment to separate I-131 from UO2 pellets irradiated in their TRR reactor.

That sounds like a dedicated nuclear waste storage area, to me.

[AndrewC]

Your name will be here too, Zark-oww-eee

[Justice]

The perp's corpse.

[kinsman redeemer]

Correct.

But notice that they were not able to fill the most recently vacated #2 position. This is good news.

"Listen, you were the #4 guy a week ago and now you're #3. I just recieved word that the #2 position has just opened up. This is a real career opportunity for you. Are you interested?"

"No thanks!"

[kinsman redeemer]

thanks.

[musicman]

Osama bin Laden, not feeling well and concerned about his mortality, goes to consult a psychic about the date of his death.

Closing her eyes and silently reaching into the realm of the future, she finds the answer. "You will die on an American holiday."

"Which one?" Osama bin Laden asks nervously.

"It doesn't matter," replied the psychic. "Whenever you die, it will be an American holiday!"