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I'm a diehard conservative Republican, but the GOP leadership is totally wrong on this one.

Secure the borders first! We need to hermetically seal the borders to preserve our national security and American sovereignty.

Then...and only then, America can consider foreign guest worker programs.

1 posted on 12/07/2005 9:39:13 PM PST by DogByte6RER
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To: DogByte6RER

I was wondering why Bush's steadily improving poll numbers just tanked today on Rasmussen. For those not paying attention, El Presidente only will permit national security on the condition that it includes a limitless supply of government-acquired slave laborers. Then, of course, he'll simply refuse to enforce his side of the deal.

The man would rather throw an election to Hillary Clinton than go without his precioussss slave laborers.


2 posted on 12/07/2005 9:45:00 PM PST by dangus
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To: DogByte6RER
GOP FORMS STRATEGY TO OK GUEST WORKERS

GOP FORMS STRATEGY TO LOSE 2006/08 ELECTIONS.

3 posted on 12/07/2005 9:46:31 PM PST by Centurion2000 ((Aubrey, Tx) --- America, we get the best government corporations can buy.)
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Congressional Chicanery About H-1B Visas


by Phyllis Schlafly, Dec. 7, 2005

"Why is it taking you five years to get through college?" I asked a student attending one of my campus lectures. "Because I changed my major from computer science to accounting after I discovered there are almost no jobs available for computer majors."

Of course there are plenty computer jobs, but not for Americans because big business would rather hire foreigners. It's all a matter of money; corporations use their financial clout to get Congress to import foreigners who will work for half the salary Americans used to be paid for computer work.

It's called the H-1B racket, and it's very profitable for the big corporations. This system is not the free market; it's politicians and corporations conniving to do an end run around our immigration laws in order to keep wages artificially low.

The latest piece of chicanery is buried in the 817-page Deficit Reduction Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 2005 (S.1932) now going through Congress. Without any hearings, Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA) got the Judiciary Committee to insert language that will raise the annual cap on H-1B visas from the current 65,000 to 95,000, reissue unused immigrant work visas or green cards up to a maximum of 90,000, and exempt the H-1Bers' family members from the cap on employment-based immigration.

This is estimated to increase permanent immigration into the United States by more than 350,000 aliens a year. Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) tried to protect American jobs by deleting Specter's amendment, but the Senate rejected Byrd's motion on November 3.

This latest attack on U.S. workers comes on the heels of another back-room deal last fall. Congress exempted from the annual H-1B visa cap 20,000 foreign students who get master's or Ph.D. degrees from U.S. universities.

Then, because of what was claimed to be a mistake, the Homeland Security Department approved 10,000 more visa applications for high-tech and specialty workers than Congress authorized. Nobody was fired over the mistake, and only Sen Charles Grassley (R-IA) lamented, "It discourages me to hear that Congress' limit may have been ignored."

The rationale for inviting H-1B foreigners to take American jobs is an alleged labor shortage, but we never had any shortage in computer technicians, and employers are not required to look for Americans anyway. The labor-shortage claim is ridiculous today since there are more than 100,000 unemployed high-tech American workers, and some estimate the figure at 200,000.

In addition, there are several hundred thousand who are underemployed or working lesser jobs outside of their field. After the dot-com bust a few years ago, tens of thousands of computer workers and engineers left Silicon Valley and took any job they could get, of course at a fraction the pay they had been receiving.

At the same time, at least 463,000 H-1B workers are employed in the United States, and some estimate twice that number. H-1Bers who are hired by universities and other "exempt" institutions are not in the count. During the third quarter of last year, high tech companies in the U.S. laid off workers in record numbers, but they didn't lay off H-1B workers.

The best research on the economics of H-1B workers has been done by Professor Norman Matloff of the University of California/Davis. See www.eagleforum.org/links/

Business executives continue the pretense that American IT workers aren't available. In a speech to the National Governors Association on February 26, Bill Gates taunted us that India and China "have six times as many graduates majoring in engineering" as the United States.

The reason for this is obvious to bright college students who have discovered that Bill Gates prefers to hire foreign computer graduates. Microsoft is adding 4,400 employees this year, but more than half of that employment growth is outside the United States.

Microsoft has opened a research center in Bangalore, India where it expects to hire thousands of computer science graduates of universities in India at a fraction the cost of U.S. university graduates.

Microsoft is also on track to outsource more than 1,000 jobs a year to China. According to a former vice president, Microsoft promised China in 2003 that it would step up the level of its outsourcing to China from $33 million to $55 million worth a year, and China is complaining that the pace isn't fast enough.

It's bad news for America's future if the corporations learn to rely on foreigners for all their computer work. Americans, not foreigners, are the source of the technical innovations we need to stay ahead in the fast-moving computer industry.

Of the 56 awards given by the Association for Computing Machinery for software and hardware innovation, only one recipient is an immigrant.

We are told that Congress is working on immigration reform and border security. Instead, Congress is selling out American workers to please their corporate contributors.

Eagle Forum • PO Box 618 • Alton, IL 62002 phone: 618-462-5415 fax: 618-462-8909 eagle@eagleforum.org

Read this article online: http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2005/dec05/05-12-07.html

5 posted on 12/07/2005 9:58:15 PM PST by jla
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To: DogByte6RER
They (the GOP) are trying everything PR-wise for the constituent audience EXCEPT closing the borders. They work for the highest dollar contributors - those making the most money from employing illegal aliens despite the laws telling them they shouldn't. As those parties have accumulated so much excess profit (by shirking taxes, insurance and fair wages) over their law-abiding competitors they have the ability to wine and dine our legislators and promise them the moon for favors received.

This perverted system of neo-slavery at the expense of American citizens competing for the same jobs should be drug into the light at every chance possible. It is a creeping perpetuation of the corrupt bribery system that has held Mexico in stasis for decades and should be outed whenever seen by responsible journalists (who still have any nads in their shorts).

I'm not holding my breath on that one.
6 posted on 12/07/2005 9:59:09 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (aka the cruel, heartless despot of a crazy law-abiding universe - Mike the Merciless!)
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Guess it's time to start flooding Senators and Representatives with emails informing them that anyone that votes for such a proposal will find a well-financed primary challenger in their next election.


8 posted on 12/07/2005 10:06:48 PM PST by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: DogByte6RER
And I believe that there is this draconian policy swindle afoot why?
10 posted on 12/07/2005 10:23:04 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: DogByte6RER

I am done voting for these fools...

And its more about soldiers than slaves...

The immigrants are an eager bunch that want to serve...but cant...

Recruiters have told me this...


12 posted on 12/07/2005 10:30:10 PM PST by antaresequity (PUSH 1 FOR ENGLISH, PUSH 2 TO BE DEPORTED)
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Some rules for guest workers:
  1. You must be here legally to qualify or you must apply for a "guest worker visa" in the country of which you are a citizen.
  2. No low wages.  You must be hired at the same wages as an American worker.  This must not be a program to replace American jobs with low paying foreign jobs.
  3. No ability to bring in spouses, children or other relatives.  This must not be an invitation to bring in others to sponge off US welfare.
  4. If your job is terminated then you return.  This can't be an invitation for you to sponge off US welfare either.
  5. Double (or triple) penalties if you are convicted of a misdemeanor or felony.

15 posted on 12/07/2005 11:02:13 PM PST by etlib (No creature without tentacles has ever developed true intelligence)
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To: DogByte6RER

----I thought all of us on the threads voted against that. Didn't they listen?


18 posted on 12/08/2005 2:56:24 AM PST by WasDougsLamb (I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man)
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To: DogByte6RER
"......Secure the borders first....then....consider guest workers."

Ther are two views on this.

First, immigration reform is a thorny issue with no easy, comprehensive solution. The enforcment part of the issue is easy, but if Congress deals with enforcement only, reaching a consensus later on the more difficult parts will be impossible.

The second view is that there is a small group in the House who want to significantly expand enforcement under the phony position that guest workers will be addressed later, but what they are actually attempting to do is get the enforcement in place and will then try to block any futher reforms later.

The Senate gave Sensenbreener/the House a walk in allowing Real ID to go foeward as an amendment to the defense appropriation bill. That won't happen again. If the House tries it again the Senate will add their amendments also and ram it down Sensenbrenners throst.

19 posted on 12/08/2005 5:14:31 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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Hello RNC, NRSC and NRCC! If you pull this, know that conservatives are aware of your little back door maneuver, and you will pay for your treachery at the Polls.
20 posted on 12/08/2005 5:43:00 AM PST by conservativecorner
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