The only material lost is flung from the Earth's atmosphere into outer space. You may complain about that if you wish. 
Posted on 12/27/2005 4:58:53 AM PST by liberallarry
You don't get it.
I'm neither a hypocrite or a fool. I'm a realist. I know that everyone can't have what they want because the resources of the earth are finite. Increase the population and each person gets less. That's a simplification of course. It's not exactly a zero-sum game but in the matter of land - which is fundamental - its close enough for government work, as they say.
What kind of poison. They are not using heap-leaching.
C'mon, keep trying to support your baseless, no, spurious allegations
Nice of a liberal to just come out and say they don't care about rights something conservative have know for years, but of course you do care about the rights of islamic fascist terrorist who would nuke an American city if they can.
Don't you?
So what does that have to do with a little gold mining in a jungle mountain. I have read a lot and seen several documentaries on this operation. While it isa massive operation as gold mines go, it is only on a tiny fraction of the uninhabitable mountain, and the watercourses they COULD pollute are very small, if the really are being polluted.
The only material lost is flung from the Earth's atmosphere into outer space. You may complain about that if you wish.
Well, lets see. Those people live by hunting and fishing. Do you really want to claim that no damage is being done?
Conservatives care far more about their own rights than the rights of others, just like liberals. By the way, I'm not really a liberal. I'm a cynic...and a Stoic.
Of course that's true but the "used" stuff is not all that friendly to life.
I thought this was going to be about Capitol Hill and the Potomac.
It's an example of what's happening world-wide on a truly massive scale. Check out the forests of southern Chile for another example.
More I think you 'feel' they deserve to be compensated by virtue of being poor and being close by. This is silliness driven exclusively by your ego and your 'feeling' that you should be the one to decide 'who gets what and when'. I don't think you know word one about what goes on in Indonesia, or anything about the character of the Indonesian people and I don't think you've ever been within 5,000 miles of that mine.
With that said, I agree that there should be consequences to actions. The mining company has a responsibility to act as safely as they can, and if there has been some accident or negligence, then they should compensate the injured parties.
But they should not have to pay the local peasantry simply because you feel they have been wrong to be so greedy. Do us all a favor and go read a history book Fidel.
But they should not have to pay the local peasantry simply because you feel they have been wrong to be so greedy. Do us all a favor and go read a history book Fidel.
you make some sensible points...so I'll ignore it and respond only to them.
I wonder if you've ever been in the third world and observed with understanding, or really read any history?
Here's how it works. Virtually all land held by tribes, cultures, societies, nations has been seized by force...and is held by force. Those people still living primitive, subsistance existances (who hold title to their land only by living on it) are being forcibly dispossed by others, sometimes colonialists, more often by powerful native overlords who are being paid by foreign capitalists.
C'mon, that's a whole different issue. Want to discuss over fishing of atlantic cod stocks in an article on a papua New Guinea gold mine thread?
regurgitating unexamined polemic
Well, in my world people should have to pay for the value they subtract. Of course, they mostly don't. Privatize the profit, socialize the cost.
You're talking about yourself. I told I was in Guatemala in '74 and saw the process first hand.
No. It's not. How do you think the natives of the region live? Supermarkets and imported caviar?
The river will cleanse itself in due time. The earth always heals itself eventually.
That's like saying that the residents of the US don't know or care about the residents of Papua. But... Clearly you and the New York Times think that it's important.
I mean, you're the one who posted this BS article. Can't you defend its merits, or is the fact that it's anti-American enough for you?
And certainly Bill Clinton's corruption had an effect on Papua, didn't it? Shouldn't we as Americans care about that?
Isn't that the basis of your anti-Bush mantra- that we have to care what the world thinks of us? Or is that only when you're bashing George Bush?
But I know the Escalante area. I was in Phipps/Death Hollow in the '70s. I'm glad the area was declared a national monument if that will preserve it from development.
That's very sentimental, but it wasn't yours to take.
Nor was it Clinton's.
Estimates of the viability of the region range from $20 to $200 million or more annually.
Clinton effectively federalized locally owned and managed property for his own personal gain and to the detriment of it's rightful owners.
That, Larry, is what communists do. But you knew that well, because you're a liberal, and liberalism is the stepsister of communism.
I don't care anymore about the rights of the residents than they care about the rights of the natives of New Guinea.
Exactly why we have to keep you and your ilk out of power.
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