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To: Luis Gonzalez
They are celebrating their own sense of heritage...wh8ich is what truly bothers you.

You don't get it. It is NOT their heritage. It is NOT African heritage no matter how it tries to be African heritage. It is a FALSE heritage dressed up in pseudo-African garb and language designed specifically to lull the gullible into accepting racist black nationalist and Marxist ideas. It is PURELY the invention of Ron Everett. It is not African. It is a tool to further Everett's racist goals.

The goals of the founder of Kwanzaa and his intent for Kwanzaa cannot be separated from Kwanzaa. The more people who ignorantly celebrate Kwanzaa and accept its "values" are more people who are accepting the underlying black nationalist Marxism designed into the "holiday" by its founder.

Do you support the establishment of a seperate black nation within the borders of the United States?

Do you support a racially motivated "revolution" within the United States (ie. the shedding of blood mentioned in the black nationalist pledge and represented by the color red in the black nationalist flag and within Kwanzaa)?

Do you support the spread of Marxism within the United States?

If your answer is no to any of these, then you can't accept Kwanzaa.

I'm not trying to ban the holiday or stop people from observing it. I simply want to register my strong objection to President Bush's official recognition of the racist and Marxist "holiday" and to back up my statements with facts about Kwanzaa, its founder, its origin, its intent, and its goals. You want to twist it into some racial thing, as you are so wont to do when you have no other argument, when it is not. Simply, the President should not have officially recognized the holiday and his statements about it were either made in ignorance or were pure political pandering.

197 posted on 12/30/2005 2:29:06 PM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Spiff
"You don't get it. It is NOT their heritage. It is NOT African heritage no matter how it tries to be African heritage."

So, you are the arbiter of how others celebrate; no wonder you admire and defend Nazis.

That's what is wrong with people like you; it isn't sufficient that you have freedom to celebrate whatever you wish to celebrate however you wish, you also have to dictate what and how others celebrate whatever they wish to celebrate.

You judge.

Do I support the establishment of a separate black nation?

What kind of stupidity are you spouting now?

Do you attribute whatever bulls%it extremists groups say to the larger segment of the population?

Of course you do; it's what bigots do.

Let's judge all Christians by the selective words and actions of a segment of Christians, shall we?

" Ultimately we must separate ourselves from the Blacks and other non-whites and keep ourselves separate, no matter what it takes to accomplish this. We must do this not because we hate Blacks, but because we cannot survive if we remain mixed with them. And we cannot survive if we permit the Jews and the traitors among us to remain among us and to repeat their treachery. Eventually we must hunt them down and get rid of them." - William Pierce, National Alliance 1997.

Idiots like you have been blabbing about an imminent racial revolution since my college days in the 1970's...where the hell is it, other than in your twisted heads.

"I'm not trying to ban the holiday or stop people from observing it. I simply want to register my strong objection to President Bush's official recognition of the racist and Marxist "holiday" "

More crap from you; the celebration is neither racist, nor Marxist.

I've been to a small Kwanzaa celebration, hosted by good friends, who are much better Christians than you are, and I've seen these "Marxist" principles.

They break down to basically a need to create a positive sense of self, to maintain a sense of heritage and family, to clean up their own communities by solving existing problems together, to build up the community through work, to beautify the community, to believe in one self, and the positive role models available.

Good Lord man!

What more could we possibly want from black America than a united effort at cleaning up their neighborhoods and their social problems?

Why would anyone, other than an abject bigot, try to throw dirt on such an innocuous, and positive event?

"You want to twist it into some racial thing"

How unbelievably hypocritical if you t say that.

I have now the same statement that I started this thread with...they are American citizens, just like I am, and he is their President just like he is mine.

You however, compared Kwanzaa celebrants to Nazis.

Bigot.

198 posted on 12/30/2005 4:33:43 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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