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Stossel: Are American Kids Stupid?
NewsMax ^ | 1/7/06 | NewsMax

Posted on 01/07/2006 12:45:10 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee
Better yet, get the federal government out of the education business altogether.

Privatize education. All of it.
Taxpayers should not be forced to pay for public education IMHO.
No more 'Socialist Welfare'!

61 posted on 01/07/2006 1:37:35 PM PST by golas1964 ("He tasks me... He tasks me, and I shall have him!")
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To: satchmodog9

Giving a full tuition ride to dullards because they run fast and can play a sport is not exactly fair to the bright
students that do well in the classroom. Running , jumping, shooting hoops and such should not be the main criteria for college entry. It is unfortunate for the good students to be left in the student loan lines while some really stupid
sports freaks get a free ride. Clarett, Vick and Phillips come to mind.


62 posted on 01/07/2006 1:38:19 PM PST by oldironsides
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To: wagglebee

$11,000 is enough to buy a representative and detailed library of the classics for each pupil to keep at home. Schools would be unnecessary.


63 posted on 01/07/2006 1:39:06 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: mc6809e

Let me tell you about the teacher pay in South Carolina. It sucks. No union either. The medical coverage is also ugly. Teaching school in SC is unlike unionized states.


64 posted on 01/07/2006 1:40:58 PM PST by oldironsides
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
Can't seem to find a link to that particular study. Here are a couple that show that the US is above average in most of the categories, and above some European countries that you would not expect:

HERE

Lot of different tables, but most show that we're not doing that badly.

65 posted on 01/07/2006 1:41:40 PM PST by Philistone (Turning lead into gold...)
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To: wagglebee
I mean, we've had sex cases, acknowledged sex cases ... you can’t fire him." The teacher union has so many protections written into the contract to make sure principals don't fire unfairly, or play favorites, that principals rarely even try to jump through all these hoops to try to fire a bad teacher.

How hard would it be to write a morals clause into a contract? Oops, I forget. The teachers would go on strike first. The gays would have a fit if it were possible to fire them for having sex with minors.

66 posted on 01/07/2006 1:43:56 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: grania
I've reached the point where sometimes I wonder if the government-controlled education doesn't strive to identify a small percentage of excellent students, and let the rest learn just enough to be good, un-questioning, dependent worker-bees.

Sure. The Kennedys and Rockefellers hate competition. And entrenched political interests don't need a swarm of young, intelligent, informed voters knocking apart the corrupt infrastructures they have spent decades building.

67 posted on 01/07/2006 1:44:13 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: TexCon

Teddy and Lady Macbeth. Pleeeze don't get me started on those two!


68 posted on 01/07/2006 1:44:27 PM PST by Larousse2 (Sounds just like "The Dear Hilliary Letter"----a seamless web from cradle to grave)
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To: oldironsides

Those people (at least the male athletes who play football and basketball) make up the sports programs that bring in millions of dollars in TV rights and merchandise, etc. to schools. Those dollars are used by the schools for a number of things, not all of which are athletics related.


69 posted on 01/07/2006 1:45:02 PM PST by MichiganConservative (Government IS the problem.)
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To: TexCon

I forgot something. Sorry.

Have you read anything about "Lillygate"?

There are strong family ties to Eli Lilly.


70 posted on 01/07/2006 1:46:34 PM PST by Larousse2 (Sounds just like "The Dear Hilliary Letter"----a seamless web from cradle to grave)
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To: wagglebee

Kids of democrats are....this is a well established fact.


71 posted on 01/07/2006 1:48:16 PM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: RightWhale

I concur.

However, who would conduct the indoctrination? Mr. Rogers?


72 posted on 01/07/2006 1:49:10 PM PST by Larousse2 (Sounds just like "The Dear Hilliary Letter"----a seamless web from cradle to grave)
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To: Larousse2
Wasn't one of GWB's campaign promises to abolish the U. S. Department of Eduation? Or, was I delusional?

No...your are not. He also promissed to abolish the TEA (Texas Education Administration) and did not suckceed.

73 posted on 01/07/2006 1:50:34 PM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: golas1964
"Privatize education. All of it."

I am certain that a plan could be devised whereby the administrators and teachers in a public school could be issued stock based on a scale including various factors such as seniority, position, merit ratings, etc. as to how much stock every individual got. They would then all be co-owners of the school. If I could, I would privatize American education in a manner something like that. They would probably also need the authority to kick kids out, and parents would have the same freedom to choose their childrens' schools. Wouldn't it be instructive to see how fast things would change if something like this were done?

74 posted on 01/07/2006 1:52:34 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: wagglebee

State government, not the feds, is mandated to provide an education to children. However, the state has let the educational establishment set the ground rules in who teaches and what is taught. It is no wonder that the educational level of grads is continually falling.


75 posted on 01/07/2006 1:57:06 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: sono

You have to understand ther mindset behind the schoool's hostility to Escalante. The schools are profoundly anti-intellectual, but in a paradoxicall way. They do their best to futher the social agenda of our intellectual elites while at the same time refusing to teach bright students intellectual skills. Magnet schools are an exception to all the above, but the great majority of students have no chance to go to a magnet school.


76 posted on 01/07/2006 1:57:12 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: derllak

Pupil/teacher ratio in K-12 American schools went from 22 in 1970 to 16 in 2000.


77 posted on 01/07/2006 1:57:22 PM PST by Restorer
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To: WV Mountain Mama

I confess I don't know the legal ramifications; but, if possible by law, I say let the ones that aren't interested sit in the first grade until they are 15 unless they can pass the grade-level-test.....and each grade thereafter.


78 posted on 01/07/2006 1:57:29 PM PST by mtnwmn
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To: taxesareforever

The federal and state education agencies are filled with "educationists." Their whole approach to education is so ideological that they are incapable of accepting real alternatives.


79 posted on 01/07/2006 1:59:43 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS; All

Two of my favorite U. S. Education whistleblowers are:

Lynn Stuter: http://www.learn-usa.com

Beverly Eakman: http://www.beverlye.com

Both of these two women are telling the TRUTH about what has been happening in U. S. public school education.

Incidentally, I learned that Lady Macbeth's Thesis on Saul Alinsky is SEALED at Wellsley. Hmmmm....


80 posted on 01/07/2006 2:07:01 PM PST by Larousse2 (Sounds just like "The Dear Hilliary Letter"----a seamless web from cradle to grave)
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