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Vets get in races to fight GOP
The Denver Post ^ | 12/28/2005 | Jim Hughes

Posted on 01/19/2006 10:35:31 PM PST by NapkinUser

More than 30 Iraq and Persian Gulf War veterans have entered congressional races across the country as Democrats, hoping to capitalize on their military experience to topple the incumbent Republican majority.

In Colorado, two former military men, Jay Fawcett and Bill Winter, are vying for the House seats of two strong, entrenched Republicans: Rep. Joel Hefley of the 5th Congressional District and Rep. Tom Tancredo of the 6th Congressional District, respectively.

"Do we understand military and foreign affairs? You bet," Fawcett said. "Most of us have been to the point where you get a direct dose of military and foreign affairs, mostly in the category of small-caliber weapons. But we understand that that is just one aspect of national policy."

On Dec. 20, Fawcett and Winter joined 35 Democratic veterans running for Congress at a strategy session in Washington, D.C.

The veterans voted on a name for their emerging caucuslike campaign coalition: Veterans for a Secure America. They also agreed that their military backgrounds should be promoted as credentials for leadership across the full spectrum of public policy, said Fawcett, an Air Force veteran of the 1991 Gulf War who has taught at the Air Force Academy and now works as a consultant to Northern Command in Colorado Springs.

The group will reconvene in Washington in February to respond to President Bush's State of the Union address in a news conference on the steps of the Capitol, Winter said. An attorney and the former president of the grassroots liberal organizing group Be The Change, Winter spent 10 peacetime years in the Marine Corps and the Navy.

Fawcett said the group is not anti-war but is concerned about what appears to be a lack of a solid plan for the war in Iraq. He said the group's military experience could be crucial in providing better leadership.

The war in Iraq, which polls show is now unpopular with most Americans, is a growing political weakness for Bush and for Republican lawmakers, Democratic strategists say. As proof, they point to the experience last summer of Paul Hackett, an Iraq war veteran who narrowly lost a congressional bid in a solidly Republican district in Ohio. Hackett now is running for Senate.

"Iraq is in the eye of the beholder in many ways, but increasingly, the public is viewing it negatively," said Rick Ridder, a Democratic consultant in Denver. "I certainly think there is a greater momentum now among (Democratic) veterans, after Hackett did so well in a predominantly Republican district."

But Republicans are confident they can maintain their traditional strength among voters focused on the military and veterans' issues, said Carl Forti of the National Republican Congressional

Campaign Committee, which recruits Republican candidates across the country. "People may not like the war, but they still believe that Republicans will do a better job of protecting them than Democrats," Forti said. "And if Democrats want to try to make an issue of the war and security, especially Democrats who have a voting record - they have an abysmal voting record on defense spending."

At least two military veterans have entered congressional races as Republicans, one of them a veteran of the Iraq war, Forti said.

If Democrats think they can create a winning election-year theme with veterans as candidates, they are wrong, Forti said.

"They have two major problems: Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean," he said.

Pelosi, the Democratic House minority leader from California, wants the U.S. to pull out of Iraq. Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, recently said the U.S. would not prevail there. Both are unpopular positions, Forti said.

"These are Democrats who happen to be military veterans who are running for Congress," he said of Veterans for Security. "It's one résumé item. Just because you are a military guy doesn't make you a congressman."

Forti's counterparts at the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee are not actively recruiting military veterans, spokeswoman Sarah Steinberg said.

"They absolutely serve a very good contrast against Republicans," she said. "But in every district, our goal is to recruit the best possible candidate we can."

In Colorado, both Fawcett and Winter are likely to face uphill battles against the Republican incumbents.

Hefley, who has not said yet whether he will seek re-election, has been elected to represent his heavily Republican district nine times before. And Tancredo is on a roll, Winter acknowledged, having emerged as a national conservative leader in the push to change immigration laws.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Colorado
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Is this really the best the democrats can do?
1 posted on 01/19/2006 10:35:32 PM PST by NapkinUser
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To: NapkinUser

Better bring a lunch if you are going after Tom!


2 posted on 01/19/2006 10:38:45 PM PST by Scribbz (Navy brat and proud!)
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To: NapkinUser

Meantime, the 500 or so republican veteran candidates won't get an inch of column space.


3 posted on 01/19/2006 10:41:06 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: NapkinUser

It's what they have to do to counter the repubs.

However, I believe the dems are working under a false premise .. so what else is new ..??

The false premise is that repubs will vote for anybody in a uniform. They think that because they think we're stupid. Fawcett already ran and LOST because he may have worn a uniform but he's not supportive of the war in Iraq which means he's also not supportive of his former fellow soldiers.

He couldn cut it. He was found out. He tried to act like a conservative - but it didn't work.

The dems are even more stupid than they think we are!!


4 posted on 01/19/2006 10:52:35 PM PST by CyberAnt ( I believe Congressman Curt Weldon re Able Danger)
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To: Larry Lucido

Here`s the joke, by the election, most of the "war" in Iraq will be over. We will have won. Will we be gone and all the troops home, nah, but, as an issue, the "cut and run" bunch will be toast.


5 posted on 01/19/2006 10:55:37 PM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: bybybill

Well, they will certainly try to take credit for it, though.


6 posted on 01/19/2006 10:57:41 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Howlin; Grampa Dave; Fedora; Cindy; Alamo-Girl; doug from upland
Heads up- VIPSlike group of laurel-riders:

On Dec. 20 [2005], Fawcett and Winter joined 35 Democratic veterans running for Congress at a strategy session in Washington, D.C.

The veterans voted on a name for their emerging caucuslike campaign coalition: Veterans for a Secure America[call em Vets4SA for short...]. They also agreed that their military backgrounds should be promoted as credentials for leadership across the full spectrum of public policy, said Fawcett, an Air Force veteran of the 1991 Gulf War who has taught at the Air Force Academy and now works as a consultant to Northern Command in Colorado Springs. [still working for government because a job in the private sector eludes him?]

The group will reconvene in Washington in February to respond to President Bush's State of the Union address in a news conference on the steps of the Capitol, Winter said. An attorney and the former president of the grassroots liberal organizing group Be The Change, Winter spent 10 peacetime years in the Marine Corps and the Navy.

Fawcett said the group is not anti-war but is concerned about what appears to be a lack of a solid plan for the war in Iraq. [Translation: the group is concerned about the lack of a surrender plan] He said the group's military experience could be crucial in providing better leadership.


7 posted on 01/19/2006 11:00:07 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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Notice that a lot of these guys left the service before they got their twenty but after a couple of re-enlistments?


8 posted on 01/19/2006 11:40:16 PM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: NapkinUser

'"Do we understand military and foreign affairs? You bet," Fawcett said. "Most of us have been to the point where you get a direct dose of military and foreign affairs, mostly in the category of small-caliber weapons."'

I hope he's kidding. Rep. Murtha's recent disgraceful performance shows that even 30-odd years of military experience is no guarantee of an understanding of "military and foreign affairs."

See also John Kerry (Viet Nam, Silver Star (self-awarded))

George McGovern (WWII, Distinguished Flying Cross)

Jimmah Carter (Cold warrier--USN SSBN officer)

Lyndon Johnson (WWII, barely, self-awarded Silver Star)

Wesley Clark (Supreme Commander - NATO and almost made history by initiating WWIII in the Balkans; now a moonbat)


9 posted on 01/19/2006 11:42:42 PM PST by mondonico (Peace through Superior Firepower)
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Notice that a lot of these guys left the service before they got their twenty but after a couple of re-enlistments?

And??

Some people just stay in (lets say 10 years) and then get out, find a job as a federal contractor and are quite happy. I know somebody who did just that. ;-)

My biggest problem with these guys (and Murtha, Kerry, etc.) is that they use there military service to manipulate. I have a seething hatred to those who try to manipulate me. If your against the war, fine, state your reasons, but don't use prior military service or a war record as the reason. Its the ole "chickenhawk" arguments. Its BS.
10 posted on 01/20/2006 12:12:17 AM PST by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned.)
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To: NapkinUser

Ingrate SOB's. Must be officers.


11 posted on 01/20/2006 12:14:54 AM PST by Khurkris ("Hell, I was there"...Elmer Keith.)
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To: kb2614
You nailed it.
12 posted on 01/20/2006 12:19:52 AM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: NapkinUser

I did 21 years active and retired and I worked for a bunch of idiots so military service doesn't mean too much to me !


13 posted on 01/20/2006 12:30:52 AM PST by america-rules
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To: NapkinUser

LOL! The logic of liberals... loons


14 posted on 01/20/2006 12:31:43 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: NapkinUser

Why do I predict more than 30 Democrats in Uniform LOSING at the polls and by Absentee Ballot from soldiers overseas?

Jack.


15 posted on 01/20/2006 12:40:17 AM PST by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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To: Larry Lucido

I do hope Republican Vets run.


16 posted on 01/20/2006 12:44:41 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: kb2614

Well I got my 30 years, with 4 SEA tours and I am smart enough to know that the GOP is serious about security and defense of this country.


17 posted on 01/20/2006 1:15:57 AM PST by ONETWOONE (onetwoone)
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Veterans for a Secure America through Retreat and Appeasement
18 posted on 01/20/2006 3:25:34 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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To: Ninian Dryhope
"Veterans for a Secure America through Retreat and Appeasement"

My thinking exactly.

Patriotism was not one of the top 3 reasons for military duty for millions of servicemen/women. Being drafted, free college education or job security with full benefit package were the decision makers for many. How too often we have read or heard, "I joined, but, I didn't think I'd have to go fight in a war and risk of life. Had I known that, I'd never have joined."

The sad thing for me personally is knowing that military medals were handed out too readily to self-proclaimed war heros, later to find out, they were underserving or out-and-out fraudulant. It diminishes honor and glory. The pride, or lack, of doing military service is definately not the same for all.

19 posted on 01/20/2006 3:56:12 AM PST by moonman
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To: NapkinUser

What do military rats talk about? If they are truthful they can only agree with what we are doing in the war. Where does that get them? They will have to talk about other subjects and well....
If they lie about the war like that sack of shiite hackett they will get blown away very quickly. As I asked: What do military rats talk about?


20 posted on 01/20/2006 4:58:33 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (We will never murtha to the terrorists. Bring home the troops means bring home the war.)
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