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1 posted on 01/21/2006 2:27:17 PM PST by neverdem
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General Nguyen Vo Giap. Seeing that his forces could not beat the United States militarily, Gen. Giap considered negotiating a truce until the antiwar protests reached critical mass--soon after Senator McCarthy came out publicly against the war. From then, Giap wrote, he realized that he could lose every battle and still win the war. All he had to do was endure.

Which is exactly the strategy that fuels Islamic terrorists today. Eugene McCarthy, then, is the father of modern terrorism.

2 posted on 01/21/2006 2:29:52 PM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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Now, before you Freepers start sounding off on Clinton's bona fides to speak on Vietnam, remember that he's just as much of a VN vet as any of us who wore slash-pocket fatigues. Yes, he was participant in the war, too.

Just not on our side.

3 posted on 01/21/2006 2:31:28 PM PST by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?)
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To: neverdem

Democrats vilify Heros, and Cantonize deamons, so what did you expect.


4 posted on 01/21/2006 2:32:02 PM PST by xcamel (Exposing clandestine operations is treason. 13 knots make a noose.)
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We didn't lose in Vietnam, we listened to our left wing and walked away. And even when we were gone, the South could have held out, but once again, America listened to its left wing and stopped all material support, causing the South to fall. The American left has the blood of millions on their hands for allowing the devils from the North to enslave the south and turn Cambodia into a graveyard.


5 posted on 01/21/2006 2:34:14 PM PST by samtheman
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"It all started when Gene McCarthy was willing to stand alone and turn the tide of history," said the forty-second president of the United States.

Shouldn’t that read, “It all started when Gene McCarthy was willing to stand alone and turn the tide of victory”?
6 posted on 01/21/2006 2:35:30 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: neverdem

Revisionist history, at best.


8 posted on 01/21/2006 2:40:35 PM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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"We were well on our way to winning, when Eugene McCarthy suddenly stood up and helped the Communists win a great victory. What a man ... and ... uh ... HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY PATRIOTISM?!?!"


9 posted on 01/21/2006 2:41:20 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: neverdem

The bum did his utmost to dodge the draft.


12 posted on 01/21/2006 2:44:39 PM PST by popdonnelly
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McCarthy was a forerunner to the traitorous ba$tards in Congress today....where is he buried...I think I will toast him with a little scotch...after it has been run through my body..
13 posted on 01/21/2006 2:45:26 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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When-oh-when will someone just slap his face?


14 posted on 01/21/2006 2:45:40 PM PST by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: neverdem

Clinton's policies in the 90s paved the way for 9/11.


15 posted on 01/21/2006 2:47:16 PM PST by Fair Go
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Draft Dodger Marxist Heroes On Parade...from Red Square to Little Rock courtesy Slick Willy...and pals

imo
16 posted on 01/21/2006 2:49:43 PM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit our sister.. but we knew what to do.. we gathered rocks and squashed her!)
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Very good article.


17 posted on 01/21/2006 2:50:10 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom I love the DC Freepers & Protest Warriors)
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I'd tell Billyboy to (I'll be a lady, but I really want to use the F word here) himself but he'd probably try it.


18 posted on 01/21/2006 2:51:34 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom I love the DC Freepers & Protest Warriors)
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ping


19 posted on 01/21/2006 2:53:05 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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"Bill Clinton, Historian?..."

Since he made UP history before, during, and after his presidency; he probably feels confident about "talkin' history" now ;-)

(/sarcasm)

22 posted on 01/21/2006 2:59:02 PM PST by NordP (Karl Rove's b-day is Dec 25th. It seems a great carpenter values a good architect ;-)
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It all started when Gene McCarthy was willing to stand alone and turn the tide of history

I wouldn't call surrendering to Communism and allowing a few million Vietnamese to be swallowed up by Communists and languish in 'reeducation' camps as something worth "crediting." Nor would I find anything worthy in denigrating 2.5 million American Veterans along with over 58,000 who gave their lives as something to brag about.

Hisotry will show this was the beginning to the American policy of "cut & run" going against what even their late great Democrat President Kennedy said, "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."

While I wasn't all that big of a fan of the Kennedy's, JFK must have had some keen insight into future Presidents when he said, "A young man who does not have what it takes to perform military service is not likely to have what it takes to make a living. Today's military rejects include tomorrow's hard-core unemployed."

JFK must be rolling in his grave. Little did he know what his Party was to become when he said, "The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission."

24 posted on 01/21/2006 3:00:37 PM PST by DakotaRed
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It all started when Gene McCarthy was willing to stand alone and turn the tide of history

I wouldn't call surrendering to Communism and allowing a few million Vietnamese to be swallowed up by Communists and languish in 'reeducation' camps as something worth "crediting." Nor would I find anything worthy in denigrating 2.5 million American Veterans along with over 58,000 who gave their lives as something to brag about.

Hisotry will show this was the beginning to the American policy of "cut & run" going against what even their late great Democrat President Kennedy said, "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."

While I wasn't all that big of a fan of the Kennedy's, JFK must have had some keen insight into future Presidents when he said, "A young man who does not have what it takes to perform military service is not likely to have what it takes to make a living. Today's military rejects include tomorrow's hard-core unemployed."

JFK must be rolling in his grave. Little did he know what his Party was to become when he said, "The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission."

25 posted on 01/21/2006 3:00:59 PM PST by DakotaRed
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26 Sep 1945 - The first death of an American serviceman in Vietnam occurred.
OSS (Office of Special Operations) Major (Lieutenant Colonel) A. Peter Dewey
was killed in action by the Communist Vietminh near Hanoi.

May 1950 President Harry S Truman authorised $10 million in aid to the French for their war in Viet Nam.
By January 1951, $150 million had been given in aid.

1953-61 Dwight D. Eisenhower 34th US President
1953-61 Richard M. Nixon Vice President
1953 - The US is supporting the French in the amount of $1 billion per year--
33% of all US foreign aid--which is 80% of the total cost to the
. US Secretary of State, John Foster Dulles (under Eisenhower) first voices the 'Domino Theory':
if one country in Southeast Asia falls to the Communists, they will all fall, one by one.

12 Feb 55 - President Eisenhower's administration sends 1st 350 U.S. advisers to South Vietnam
to train the South Vietnamese Army

8 Jun 56 - The first American of record to die in Vietnam
under the Eisenhower and Nixon administration
was Air Force Tech Sergeant Richard B. Fitzgibbon Jr.
His son, Richard B. Fitzgibbon III, died in Vietnam Sep 7, 1965.
8 Jun 56 Has been formally recognized by the Pentagon as the first American officially to die in that war.

5 Sep 56 - President Eisenhower tells a news conference that the French are
"involved in a hopelessly losing war in Indochina" 1956 The US believed in that Ho Chi Minh would have won any election held in Viet Nam and used their influence over the government of the State of Viet Nam to ensure that the election was not held




From a Must Visit Site
Vipers Vietnam Veterans Page, A Vietnam Veteran & Proud Web Site
About Vietnam

The Vietnam war was the longest in our nation's history.
1st American advisor was killed on June 08, 1956,

and the last casualties in connection with the war occurred on May 15, 1975, during the Mayaquez incident. Approximately 2.7 million Americans served in the war zone; 300,000 were wounded and approximately 75,000 permanently disabled. Officially there are still 1,991 Americans unaccounted for from SE Asia.

Vietnam was a savage, in your face war where death could and did strike from anywhere with absolutely no warning. The brave young men and women who fought that war paid an awful price of blood, pain and suffering. As it is said: "ALL GAVE SOME ... SOME GAVE ALL"
The Vietnam war was not lost on the battlefield. No American force in ANY other conflict fought with more determination or sheer courage than the Vietnam Veteran.  For the first time in our history America sent it's young men and women into a war run by inept politicians who had no grasp of military strategies and no moral will to win. They were led by "top brass" who were concerned mainly with furthering their own careers, most neither understood the nature of the war nor had a clue about the impossible mission with which they'd tasked their soldiers.  And the war was reported by a self serving Media who penned stories filled with inaccuracies, deliberate omissions, biased presentations and blatant distorted interpretations because they were more interested in a story than the truth! It can be debated that we should never have fought that war. It can also be argued that the young Americans who fought so courageously, never losing a single major battle, helped in a huge way to WIN THE COLD WAR.

26 posted on 01/21/2006 3:04:08 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The "Politically Correct RINO's" on Free Republic are never really political or correct.)
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What the Vietnam War was really all about:

'The Mansions of the Lord' Hymm stirrringly sung by the West Point Mens Chorus at the end of MEL GIBSON's Vietnam War motion picture -WE WERE SOLDIERS-..

...has since been stirringly sung as President RONALD REAGAN's flag-draped casket was carried out from his National Cathedral State funeral in Washington, D.C.


For...


LOVE is the Only Reality and...

GOD is LOVE:


MEL's -PASSION- sparked by -WE WERE SOLDIERS-

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1085111/posts

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31 posted on 01/21/2006 3:31:51 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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