Posted on 01/23/2006 3:51:20 AM PST by Pharmboy
Also, it might interest some of you to note that the shoreline of lower Manhattan expanded in the early years since ships from Europe would drop their ballast (stones and soil) as they came closer to shore so they would ride higher in the water and get near to shore. This natural landfill was therefore made of European soil.
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Since they're using federal money, don't they have to comply with the National Historic Preservation Act? And if so, who determines compliance, the feds or the locals?
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Correct. Water Street in downtown Manhattan was roughly where the original shoreline was located.
It reads, "Here may be found the last words of Joseph of Aramathia. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the Castle of Aaauuuggghhh..."
Circular bldg in top picture is Fort Clinton, in't it?
Built 1760-1770, or was it after the the War/before 1812?
Would Robert Moses worry about some old wall? Naw, he'd blast through it!
Very interesting. That probably happened at a lot of places, huh?
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I thought it was pronounced: "Aaaaaarrrrgghhhh". You know, more from the back of the throat.
I will never understand this.
The wall has been buried 200 years, and nobody knew about it. All of a sudden it is discovered and becomes "Historically Significant".
If it hadn't been discovered, would history be flawed? Will history now be significantly improved? And, do they plan on uncovering the rest of the wall, so historians can gloat?
Its a WALL!! Not like a historically significant landfill. /SARC
"Circular bldg in top picture is Fort Clinton, in't it?
Built 1760-1770, or was it after the the War/before 1812?"
No, Fort Clinton (named after Governor DeWitt Clinton) is in Central Park.
The building you are referring to was originally built on mainland Manhattan and was called Fort George. It was demolished in the 1790's and replaced by the West Battery, built on a man-made island offshore around 1810 or 1811.
That is the circular "castle" you see in the 1812 depiction. Here's where you made your error: within a decade or two, West Battery became known as Castle Clinton.
Eventually, of course, the surrounding water was filled in and Castle Clinton still sits on the property known as Battery Park.
BTW, the Sphere that sat in the Plaza of the WTC, which was split and partially crushed when the towers fell, still stands on the grounds of Battery Park as a memorial.
Indeed it likely happened at all of the early colonial ports such as Boston and Charleston, SC, but I only can vouch for a process that began when NYC was still Niew Amsterdam and continued through its early years as New York.
Did you know...that Battery Park's Castle Clinton was originally built as a fort to defend New York Harbor from the British in the War of 1812? Additionally, it first stood on an island 200 feet from shore, until a landfill later connected it to the mainland. Designed by John McComb Jr. and Jonathan Williams, the red sandstone, circular fort was never used for military purposes. Instead, it became Castle Garden entertainment center in 1824, and reached its peak in 1850 when it hosted the U.S. debut of Swedish chanteuse Jenny Lind. Since that time, Castle Clinton has functioned as an opera house, an aquarium, and a processing center for more than 8 million immigrants. It was designated a national monument in 1946, and now serves as the ticket center for ferries to Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty. Inside are dioramas of Lower Manhattan in 1812, 1886, and 1941.
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"Very interesting. That probably happened at a lot of places, huh?"
Soil was pretty useful to our ancestors. Back when they were building the Dakota, in NYC, they were also excavating for Central Park and the builders of the Dakota used the soil from the park to pack into the floors of the Dakota to muffle sound, 14"-18" ifirc.
I have often thought it might be interesting to sift thru this stuff in the floors and on the riverbed--God only knows what you'd find, as the earth holds a lot of secrets.
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Coming out of the pit late on the 13th (right before that storm hit) we had to stop because they thought they heard a survivor. By chance we (son and I) were standing at the highest point in the pile. We had the chance to look around in silence and take it all in. The dented sphere was about 100 yards north of where we stood. It was the first time we noticed it. To see it virtually intact in the middle of the destruction was eerie and inspiring.
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