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State Senator Wants To Cut Health Care For Smokers
cbs4denver ^ | 2/05/06 | cbs4denver

Posted on 02/05/2006 3:53:28 PM PST by dware

(AP) DENVER With health costs rising, one state lawmaker thinks it's time to start discussing whether the state can afford to pay to treat smokers who get lung cancer, heart disease and other diseases linked to tobacco.

Sen. Ron Teck, R-Grand Junction, wants to put people who continue to smoke despite the health risks on notice. Under a proposal set to be reviewed Wednesday at the state Capitol, people who started smoking before 1975 would still be eligible for Medicaid payments to treat smoking-related illnesses.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: antismokingnazis; bigbrother; governmentintrusion; health; libertarians; medicalcare; privacy; pufflist; smoking; smokinglaws; uselesseaters
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Just because you're not a smoker, doesn't mean that something like this can't one day happen to you. When will people realize that, along with freedom comes a HUGE social responsibility on the part of those enjoying that freedom.
1 posted on 02/05/2006 3:53:29 PM PST by dware
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To: dware

That's called discrimination .. Watch the lawsuits that will come if he gets that passed


2 posted on 02/05/2006 3:55:58 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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I don't know about that. The anti-smoking nazis will argue that it can't be discrimination. After all, we CHOOSE to smoke.


3 posted on 02/05/2006 3:57:47 PM PST by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: dware

Agreed. Socialized medicine is a huge mistake, that few people understand.


4 posted on 02/05/2006 3:58:36 PM PST by Rick_Michael
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To: dware
I don't know about that. The anti-smoking nazis will argue that it can't be discrimination. After all, we CHOOSE to smoke.

They'll give healthcare to illegals but not to US citizens that smoke??

Yep ... the law suits will be a flying

5 posted on 02/05/2006 3:59:53 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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I wonder what will next be no more treatment for obese people..at least people who smoke pay a hugh tax, that the government would not like to lose...


6 posted on 02/05/2006 4:00:52 PM PST by JoanneSD
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To: dware

Smokers pay their way through the taxes they pay. Why don't we exclude health care for homosexuals with AIDS. They don't pay any additional taxes and they're a drain on the system and AIDS is preventable.


7 posted on 02/05/2006 4:01:47 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: dware

I wonder if after they cut benefits for smokers, they will then proceed to cut benefits for those who engage in high-risk sexual practices? Drug users? Skydivers, etc?


8 posted on 02/05/2006 4:02:06 PM PST by sixgunjer
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...it'll be called "discrimination" the minute some minority smoker gets the bad news...


9 posted on 02/05/2006 4:02:21 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hilary for President!)
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To: sixgunjer

Have to wonder how much the smokers save SS?


10 posted on 02/05/2006 4:03:59 PM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Rick_Michael

"Socialized medicine is a huge mistake, that few people understand"

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How right you are.

First they came for the smokers and diabetics, then ....

See this article:

New York City Starts To Monitor Diabetics

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1555802/posts

New York City is starting to monitor the blood sugar levels of its diabetic residents, marking the first time any government in the United States has begun tracking people with a chronic disease.

Under the program, the city is requiring laboratories to report the results of blood sugar tests directly to the health department, which will use the data to study the disease and to prod doctors and patients when levels run too high.

Some public health experts, ethicists and privacy advocates, however, say that the initiative raises serious concerns about confidentiality and is an alarming government intrusion into people's medical care.

But the New York effort marks the first time any government has required routine reporting of laboratory test results for a major chronic, noninfectious disease so that government officials can scrutinize how well doctors and patients are treating it.

The plan has alarmed privacy advocates, particularly because the information is being collected without first getting patients' consent.

"It's an incredible invasion to privacy to have your sensitive medical information grabbed by the city of New York," said Robin Kaigh, a New York lawyer who opposes the effort. "It shocks the conscience that they are not even required to tell you this is happening."


11 posted on 02/05/2006 4:04:21 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: dware

However, should our tax dollars be spent bailing out or healing those who take avoidable risks with their health?
Kind of a personal responsibility thing.

Employers are making such decisions, and have every right to do so. Why should not government do the same?


12 posted on 02/05/2006 4:05:31 PM PST by buckalfa
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I wonder what will next be no more treatment for obese people..

Yep .. they'll be after them also .. because they aren't perfect

13 posted on 02/05/2006 4:08:52 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: dware

Can we drop coverage for gays who get aids ?


14 posted on 02/05/2006 4:09:45 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: buckalfa

Goody, let's deny treatment for lung cancer to those who smoke, let's deny treatment for heart disease to those who are overweight, let's deny medical care to those who get into accidents that are their fault, etc. but let's keep paying for the healthcare of the illegals.

What's wrong with this picture?

The whole point of insurance is that you have a large group who is insured, some of them almost never need medical care, others do.

And note the article I posted a couple of posts back about NY having the labs send results of blood sugar tests directly to the government, because the government wants to monitor diabetics.

Maybe next time they are going to withhold treatment from diabetics, because their chances of recovery are less than those who don't have diabetes.


Where will it stop?

I am amazed at people who cite privacy and get terribly upset when the government monitors communications with known terrorists, but who think it's perfectely fine for the government to keep track of your personal habits and illnesses and make decisions on whether or not you get treated.


15 posted on 02/05/2006 4:12:39 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Medicaid, however, is welfare. Generally speaking, those eligible are net recipients of tax money.


16 posted on 02/05/2006 4:15:07 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: dware

"But those who started after 1975 would see the amount the state picks up drop 5 percent every year after that. And those people who picked up the habit in 1996 or later wouldn't get any help."


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This very clearly states that they will refuse treatment.

Someone has gone off the deep end here.


17 posted on 02/05/2006 4:15:15 PM PST by FairOpinion
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"Colorado voters also approved raising the cigarette tax from 20 cents to 80 cents by passing Amendment 35 in 2004. It's expected to bring in more than $160 million a year with 28 percent going to smoking prevention programs as well as cancer detection and treatment. "

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The smokers pay their taxes, but they shouldn't benefit from it, because the government says so. This is worse than pathetic and I am ashamed a Republican would propose to withhold treatment from sick smokers, after they have been paying the taxes for such purpose for years.

18 posted on 02/05/2006 4:17:20 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: dware

Which costs the most : Paying for a person with lung cancer to receive treatment for a couple of years and die at 60 or waiting for him to reach 65 paying his Social Security for 20 years and then 8 years of nursing home care?


19 posted on 02/05/2006 4:18:33 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: dware

Hey, if the rest of us can subsidize AID treatments then you can subsidize people who smoke.


20 posted on 02/05/2006 4:18:47 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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