Posted on 02/21/2006 12:23:22 PM PST by cgk
Posterboard is up on screen showing translations of what Saddam and Tariq Aziz said on the tapes released this weekend at the Intelligence Summit. It sounds like former UN inspector Tierney is the one reading the translations.
I sure hope so. I missed the beginning of the presentation, so am trying to find out if it will re-air.
The room was well filled then many left for other sessions....
Pinging some others....thanks for starting this.
I was going to ask you if that was an actual transcript. I didn't much understand the first part at all, but I did the last part. Thanks for your efforts.
Thanks for the ping.
Thank you for remembering :-)
May we find that word is slowly leaking out about Saddam's use of proxies in OKC and anthrax, etc.
You need to watch for a CSPAN replay of this.
Thanks!
Former military intelligence officer and Arabic expert Bill Tierney is the man who revealed the Saddam tapes, translating them somewhat differently from ABC/Nightline. In the first segment of Pajamas Medias’ coverage of the Intelligence Summit, we hear portions of Tierney’s opening speech at the Summit followed by an interview which ends in a most surprising manner.
Source has links to both quicktime and windows media player videos.
Roger Simon from Pajamas Media was at the Summit and on CSPAN asking questions at the end. This portion includes the part of the speech that I transcribed above as well as a portion before that I missed before I found the show.
That name rings a bell.
2003 fall : (NANA PACIFIC / GUARDIAN NET CASE : PENTAGON OFFICIAL SHAW ACCUSES US & IRAQI OFFICIALS OF ACCEPTING BRIBES IN THE AWARDING OF THREE LICENSES TO PRIVATE CELLPHONE SERVICE COMPANIES IN IRAQ - BUT SHAW IS ALSO PUSHING A COMPANY ASSOCIATED WITH HIS FRIEND, DON DEMARINO, CALLED "GUARDIAN NET" TO WIN A CONTRACT FOR WORK IN IRAQ THROUGH A MINORITY RUN COMPANY CALLED "NANA PACIFIC") [Pentagon deputy undersecretary for international technology security John A. "Jack"] Shaw first raised concerns in fall 2003 about whether U.S. and Iraqi officials were bribed in the awarding of three licenses to private companies to provide cellphone service in Iraq. The licenses were each estimated to be worth several hundred million dollars.
At the same time, he began championing a company called Guardian Net, whose board included longtime friend Don DeMarino, to win a contract to provide a police and fire radio system to Iraq, according to current and former U.S. officials and documents.
Shaw urged top CPA officials to award the contract to Nana Pacific, a small business run by Alaska Natives. Nana, which had no experience in the Middle East or in telecommunications networks, then planned to subcontract the work to Guardian Net, according to current and former U.S. officials and documents.
Under special federal contracting guidelines designed to help small and minority businesses, firms like Nana Pacific have the ability to win contracts of any size without going through the competitive bidding process usually required to protect taxpayer dollars.
The plan fell apart after Shaw ordered CPA officials to modify language in the police radio contract to allow the Nana Pacific and Guardian Net team to construct an entire cellular phone network for Iraq — creating, in effect, a fourth cellphone license, according to current and former U.S. officials and documents.
Daniel Sudnick, the CPA's senior advisor to Iraq's Ministry of Communication, reported his concerns over Shaw's efforts to the Pentagon's inspector general, who later turned the investigation over to the FBI.
FBI officials declined to comment Friday on the status of that investigation. ----- "Pentagon Ousts Official Under FBI Investigation [Shaw: Russians took 380 tons, friends got deals]," by T. Christian Miller, Yahoo, Dec 11, 2004
JULY 2004 or earlier : (NANA PACIFIC / GUARDIAN NET CASE : SHAW ACCUSES US & IRAQI OFFICIALS OF TAKING BRIBES) [Pentagon deputy undersecretary for international technology security John A. "Jack"] Shaw later wrote his own report on the cellular phone controversy, accusing U.S. and top Iraqi officials of taking bribes. The Pentagon's inspector general referred the report [written by Shaw accusing US and top Iraqi officials of taking bribes] to the FBI. ...One Pentagon official [later] said Shaw had repeatedly been asked to produce evidence to support his allegations, but had failed to do so. ----- "Pentagon Ousts Official Under FBI Investigation [Shaw: Russians took 380 tons, friends got deals]," by T. Christian Miller, Yahoo, Dec 11, 2004
JULY 2004 : (PENTAGON : NANA PACIFIC / GUARDIAN NET CASE : SHAW REFUSES OFFER TO BE TRANSFERRED FROM HIS POSITION TO ANOTHER POST WITHIN DoD) After the round of accusations and counteraccusations, and with the FBI investigation pending, Pentagon officials in July attempted to transfer [Pentagon deputy undersecretary for international technology security John A. "Jack"] Shaw from his position to another post within the Defense Department, according to a senior Pentagon official. Shaw refused. "He was asked to seek another position in the department," a senior official said. "At that point, if we could find a spot, we were happy to do that." ----- "Pentagon Ousts Official Under FBI Investigation [Shaw: Russians took 380 tons, friends got deals]," by T. Christian Miller, Yahoo, Dec 11, 2004
2004 befor Dec : (LA TIMES REPORT ON PENTAGON OFFICIAL JOHN A "JACK" SHAW) [Pentagon deputy undersecretary for international technology security John A. "Jack"] Shaw, whose activities were detailed in the Los Angeles Times earlier this year [2004], was one of a few high-ranking U.S. officials who drew the scrutiny of investigators looking into how billions in taxpayer dollars were being spent in Iraq to rebuild that country. Shaw allegedly tried to steer two contracts, one involving telecommunications and a second involving dredging at an Iraqi port, to companies linked to longtime friends or clients of longtime friends. After the allegations against him surfaced last spring, Shaw responded with a report of his own, charging that one of the U.S. officials accusing him had taken bribes in a conspiracy to place Iraq's cellular phone network under the control of a former Saddam Hussein ally. ----- "Pentagon Ousts Official Under FBI Investigation [Shaw: Russians took 380 tons, friends got deals]," by T. Christian Miller, Yahoo, Dec 11, 2004
Shaw popped up on radar during the "October Surprise" Al Qaa Qaa Missing explosives "scandal" the NY Times was touting back when Kerry was trying to run for prez in 2004:
OCTOBER 25- or was it the 18?, 2004 Monday : (NY TIMES BREAKS AL QAQAA "MISSING EXPLOSIVES" STORY) The NYTIMES urgently reported on Monday in an apprent October Surprise: The Iraqi interim government and the U.N. nuclear agency have warned the United States that nearly 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives are now missing from one of Iraq's most sensitive former military installations.
... Jumping on the TIMES exclusive, Dem presidential candidate John Kerry blasted the Bush administration for its failure to "guard those stockpiles." "This is one of the great blunders of Iraq, one of the great blunders of this administration," Kerry said.
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ABCNEWS Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 4 Times
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CBSNEWS Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 7 Times
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MSNBC Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 37 Times
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CNN Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 50 Times
------ "Drudge now reporting in "NBCNEWS: CACHE OF EXPLOSIVES VANISHED FROM SITE IN IRAQ BEFORE TROOPS ARRIVED... " that Iraq depot story was shopped to CBS' 60 minutes before reported by NYT, " Drudge Report, Posted on 10/25/2004
OCTOBER 25, 2004 : (PENTAGON OFFICIALS POINT OUT THAT IRAQ HAD ALREADY ADMITTED TO BREAKING THE SEALS AND MOVING TONS OF THE EXPLOSIVES BEFORE UN INSPECTORS REENTERED THE COUNTRY IN 2002) But Pentagon officials said yesterday [Oct 25, 2004] that Iraq had already admitted to breaking the IAEA seals and moving tons of the explosives from the Al Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad, before U.N. inspectors re-entered the country in 2002.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...[Oct 26, 2004]----- "Pentagon responds to missing-explosives report," By Rowan Scarborough, THE WASHINGTON TIMES, Published October 26, 2004
OCTOBER 2004 : (JOHN A SHAW TELLS THE WASHINGTON TIMES' GERTZ THAT HE HAD RECEIVED FOREIGN INTEL SHOWING THAT RUSSIAN SPECIAL FORCES UNITS WERE INVOLVED IN REMOVING WMD FROM IRAQ BEFORE THE US INVASION IN MARCH 2003) In October, Mr. Shaw told The Washington Times that he had received foreign intelligence data showing that Russian special forces units were involved in an effort to remove Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction in the weeks before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq began in March 2003.-------- "Pentagon ousts official who tied Russia, Iraq arms, " Bill Gertz, The Washington Times, December 30, 2004
OCTOBER 27, 2004 Wednesday : (SHAW TELLS THE WASHINGTON TIMES ABOUT INTEL INDICATING RUSSIAN FORCES CONDUCTED DISPERSAL OPERATION BETWEEN JAN AND MARCH 2003) John A. Shaw, who told The Washington Times on Wednesday that recent intelligence reports indicate Russian special forces units took part in a sophisticated dispersal operation from January 2003 to March 2003 to move key weapons out of Iraq. ------ "Photos point to removal of weapons," By Bill Gertz, THE WASHINGTON TIMES, 10/29/04, http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041028-115519-3700r.htm
OCTOBER 28, 2004 or before (INTERSECTION OF AL QAQAA "MISSING MUNITIONS" CASE & NANA PACIFIC / GUARDIAN NET CASE : SHAW, WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF THE PENTAGON PRESS OFICE, SAYS HE BELIEVES RUSSIAN COMMANDOS REMOVED THE EXPLOSIVES FROM IRAQ DAYS BEFORE THE COALITION INVASION IN MARCH; RUMSFELD SAYS HE "CANNOT VALIDATE THAT EVEN SLIGHTLY") [Pentagon deputy undersecretary for international technology security John A. "Jack"] Shaw most recently made news late in the presidential campaign, when he inserted himself into the controversy surrounding a report that up to 380 tons of high-grade explosives had disappeared from an Iraqi storage bunker after U.S. troops had failed to secure it.
As Democrats highlighted the story, calling it an example of the administration's failings in Iraq, Shaw was quoted Oct. 28 by the Financial Times and the Washington Times as saying he believed that Russian commandos had spirited the explosives out of Iraq in the days before the March 2003 invasion. Conservative media outlets seized on Shaw's remarks as proof that Bush had done nothing wrong. But Rumsfeld distanced himself from Shaw's report, saying he "cannot validate that even slightly."
Shaw's remarks on the missing explosives — made without the approval of DiRita's press office — apparently were the breaking point that led to the demand for his resignation. Shaw said in his letter that he was asked to resign for having exceeded his "authority and brief." [* My note: If it was true, he may have unwittingly given the Russians a heads up on how good our intel on their activities was and is. If not true, not such a big deal as a leak would be.] Shaw defended his decision, however, saying that he had to get the information about the Russian commandos out as quickly as possible in the heat of the campaign. "I realized I was probably the only person in the country who could disprove the story" of the missing munitions, he said. ----- "Pentagon Ousts Official Under FBI Investigation [Shaw: Russians took 380 tons, friends got deals]," by T. Christian Miller, Yahoo, Dec 11, 2004
DECEMBER 10, 2004 : (JOHN A SHAW IS "DISMISSED" .... HE CLAIMS IT WAS FOR EXCEEDING HIS AUTHORITY- PENTAGON SAYS REORGANIZATION ELIMINATED HIS JOB) A Pentagon official who publicly disclosed information showing Russian involvement in moving Iraqi weapons out of that country has been dismissed. John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security and formerly an aide to Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, was forced to leave his position Dec. 10 as the result of a "reorganization" that eliminated his job, defense officials said.
Mr. Shaw said he had been asked to resign for "exceeding his authority" in disclosing the information, a charge he called "specious." -------- "Pentagon ousts official who tied Russia, Iraq arms, " Bill Gertz, The Washington Times, December 30, 2004
[* My note: Shaw tries to imply he was fired because he was out of turn when he 'leaked' the Russians removed the explosives from al QaQaa in Iraq- but there was some effort to sideline him much earlier as you can see by the Pentagon's effort to transfer him to another post in July 2004]
Note that he was at one time an employee over at the Dept of Commerce... I wonder if he was there back when Clinton was using commerce to approve tech transfers to China. I also wonder if this guy is a buddy of Pat Lang.
Bill Tierney PING
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This is discussed on O'Reilly tonight.
Thanks for the link but I cannot get the windows media player version to download and play. I do hope Tierney does not turn out to be railroaded based on his agressive nature in all this. Obviously the L/MSM can twists things pretty well to keep what they don't want said out of the picture. So the masses as usual do not get an honest view.
Are they the translations of conversations between Saddam and Tariq or the ABC version ?
Great read
*****Tariq Aziz is a Catholic.*****
Actually, he's a Chaldo-Assyrian. That's different from Roman Catholic...it's actually closer to E. Orthodox I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong.
He did meet with the pope in 2003 to try to appeal to the West and show that Iraq was interested in disarmament. Pope John Paul II told him Iraq should comply with the UN resolutions.
National Review Online had this rebuttal from Tierney. Notice the correction about Hatfield. He thinks Hatfill is totally innocent and may have been set up.
Dear Mr. York,
Thank you for covering another angle of the Saddam Tapes story. Before I address the substance of your remarks, allow me a few minor corrections. I asserted that other tapes may have valuable information on the 93 WTC bombing and the OKC bombing. I knew that this information was not on the tapes I analyzed. I take this view after the excellent study by Laurie Mylroie in "A Study in Revenge" and the pathetic disinformation campaign from the Iraqis, who trotted out an (overweight) Mr. Yasin to spit nonsense for Leslie Stahl of CBS. Supposedly Yasin was in jail for this crime, yet documents surfaced showing him on an Iraqi government stipend for his service. Jayna Davis is to be commended for the excellent investigative work that resulted in "The Third Terrorist" regarding the Oklahoma City bombing. Both works show an Iraqi hand in their continuing war against the United States. It was for this reason that I suggested that the FBI not be tasked to exploit the tapes, given the potential conflict of interest.
I would not be surprised if there were a taped meeting where Saddam wants to know why the World Trade Center did not fall into the Hudson River as planned.
The other major error in your piece was the contention I stated that Saddam Hussein used Stephen Hatfill to do their dirty work. If you had been listening more closely, you would have heard me say they could have their proxies send the anthrax letters, then point the finger at a former associate of Fort Detrick, such as Mr. Hatfill. I maintain that Mr. Hatfill was innocence based on examination of his public statements and the paucity of reliable evidence. You should really check the CSPAN tape before you commit your errors to print.
Thank you for bringing my Christian practice to light. I am not sure of your motivation, but you accurately recorded my statements. I wouldn't expect you to investigate some of the stories on my departure from the military, but here is the long and short of it. Self-serving career worshipers hated Scott Ritter. I worked on the inspections with Scott, so they hated me too. (I am the Bill Turner on page 169 of his book "Endgame.") There was a serious dose of jealousy because I was very aggressive as an inspector, had maintained my Arabic when most lost it, and had volunteered to target the Iraqi internal security infrastructure, a high-risk proposition in a risk-averse atmosphere. Thus, an innocuous prayer with a Christian Iraqi defector was turned into a crime against the state, and I was put in a position of compromising my oath to protect the Constitution and forsaking my faith, or resigning my position as a matter of honor.
On John Loftus, I don't have to agree with everything he has written to appreciation [sic] his hard work at bringing the Intelligence Summit together. Your readers can check the site to see all the other great presentations.
I guess I just can't stop taking risks. If no further information on an underground EMIS facility comes to light, I guess you could say I was just hearing things. However, after Saddam finally takes his much-deserved bullet, and the fear of a Baath Party return subsides, and information comes out to prove me right, I will have Byron York to thank for all those people who are inspired to have a more profound relationship with God because of this testimony.
And by the way, you failed to mention the segment of the tapes regarding the use of civilian electrical energy from Basra being diverted to the nuclear bomb program. The location I identified had the high tension wires required to receive the necessary amount of power.
Also, while conducting counterintel ops in Baghdad, a translator I was screening volunteered that during Desert Shield he was sent to the Tarmiya EMIS facility to translate for the human shields held there. During this duty, a security officer told him he had gotten sick while guarding work in an nearby underground facility. All the workers took frequent breaks, but he stayed in the environment all day and got sick. This is just down the road from the location I spotted.
We shall see.
Regards,
Bill Tierney
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