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Friedman: Iraqi Violence Reflects Al-Qaeda Realization "In Some Ways They're Losing"
GMA/NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 02/24/2006 5:14:44 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

by Mark Finkelstein

February 24, 2006

If NY Times columnist Thomas Friedman is for many the voice of the center-left foreign policy establishment in the U.S., then his nuanced and not-altogether-bleak assessment of the situation in Iraq on this morning's GMA merits consideration.

It was tempting to headline this entry with the provocative notion Friedman floated that perhaps only a Saddam was capable of holding Iraq's fractious components together. But Friedman was by no means endorsing Saddam's despotic rule, musing rather whether Saddam was a cause or an effect. As Friedman put it:

"Is Iraq the way Iraq is because Saddam Hussein was the way Saddam Hussein was or was Saddam Hussein the way Saddam Hussein was because Iraq was the way Iraq is - a congenitally-divided country that could only be held together by an iron fist? We never had the definitive answer to that question but I think we're going to real soon."

Friedman noted that "Shiites have resisted all [previous] provocations but this attack on the Golden Dome Mosque is the straw that broke the camel's back and has brought Iraq to the edge. One of two things is going to happen: Iraqis are going to stare into this abyss and pull back or I'm afraid they're going to fall into this abyss and we're going to know real soon if anything is salvageable."

Friedman's response to Gibson's query as to who would want to bomb the mosque was fascinating, as it suggested that not only has Iraq become the climactic battleground of the war against terrorism and Al-Qaeda, but that the current wave of violence may reflect Al-Qaeda's perception that it is losing that battle.

Friedman:

"People have often asked why has there been no terrorism in the United States since 9/11 and my answer to them is my answer to you. I believe Al Qaeda . . . their main focus right now is to defeat us in the very heart of their world. Their focus right now is on defeating us in Iraq. After all, they want to control the Middle East. They're not interested in controlling Las Vegas.

"They know if they defeat America in the heart of their world, the resonance that will have is enormous. In contrast, if we defeat them in the heart of their world in collaboration with other arabs and Muslims by putting together some kind of decent democracy there, it will be a terrible defeat. So what you're seeing is in many way acts of unspeakable violence. I mean, going into one of the most prominent Shiite shrines, the reason they're doing it is -- that in some ways they're losing. The closer we get to producing a decent outcome there, the crazier our opponents are going to get because they know if they lose it's strategic."

Will those in the center-left of our political spectrum heed Friedman's nuanced, somewhat sanguine message, or will we hear nothing but more of the "Iraq is a disaster" drumbeat from the Democratic political establishment?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: charliegibson; gma; goldenmosque; iraq; thomasfriedman; wot
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1 posted on 02/24/2006 5:14:45 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; netmilsmom; Diogenesis; YaYa123; MEG33; ...

GMA/NewsBusters ping to Today show ping list.


2 posted on 02/24/2006 5:15:23 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show Since 2002 So You Don't Have To.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

'"Is Iraq the way Iraq is because Saddam Hussein was the way Saddam Hussein was or was Saddam Hussein the way Saddam Hussein was because Iraq was the way Iraq is - a congenitally-divided country that could only be held together by an iron fist?"'

One should never take a writer who asks the reader questions seriously.


3 posted on 02/24/2006 5:18:00 AM PST by Crawdad (So the guy says to the doctor, "It hurts when I do this.")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
...if we defeat them in the heart of their world in collaboration with other arabs and Muslims by putting together some kind of decent democracy there, it will be a terrible defeat.

Yes it will be.

4 posted on 02/24/2006 5:18:44 AM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Will those in the center-left of our political spectrum heed Friedman's nuanced, somewhat sanguine message, or will we hear nothing but more of the "Iraq is a disaster" drumbeat from the Democratic political establishment?

I think I know the answer to that question and so does Howard Dean. And what Howard Dean knows the MSM knows. It will be the drumbeat path for sure.

5 posted on 02/24/2006 5:20:00 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: Crawdad

"One should never take a writer who asks the reader questions seriously."

Sorry, but I believe writers who ask questions are precisely the ones we should listen to. And regardless of whether you're a Republican or Democrat, Tom Friedman is a writer worth taking very seriously.


6 posted on 02/24/2006 5:23:20 AM PST by Poundstone
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
In contrast, if we defeat them in the heart of their world in collaboration with other arabs and Muslims by putting together some kind of decent democracy there, it will be a terrible defeat.

Finally!!

Geez, it only took you 4 years to get it. Better late than never, I guess?

7 posted on 02/24/2006 5:23:40 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Friedman does this only to cover for Hillary & Kerry and their vote for intervention... he only pimps the top DNC whores.


8 posted on 02/24/2006 5:25:31 AM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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To: InterceptPoint

A defeat for Al Qeada in Iraq is a defeat for Democrats in the US so their reaction will mirror the escalating and ever more desperate attacks of Al Qeada. Stand by for ever escalating rhetoric from Dean and Gore and Kerry and Hitlery and Teddy etc.


9 posted on 02/24/2006 5:29:35 AM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Great piece, GL.

p.


10 posted on 02/24/2006 5:30:09 AM PST by Paul_B
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Will those in the center-left of our political spectrum heed Friedman's nuanced, somewhat sanguine message, or will we hear nothing but more of the "Iraq is a disaster" drumbeat from the Democratic political establishment?

I think we all know the answer to that one

11 posted on 02/24/2006 5:33:41 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Paul_B

Many thanks, Paul. Not one of my red-meat-engine-starters, but I did find Friedman's take interesting and noteworthy. Glad you enjoyed it.


12 posted on 02/24/2006 5:36:44 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show Since 2002 So You Don't Have To.)
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To: Mo1

Merely a rhetorical question for sure.


13 posted on 02/24/2006 5:39:01 AM PST by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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To: ExcursionGuy84; InterceptPoint
I have read some of Friedman's books: "The Lexus and the Olive Tree" and "From Beirut to Jerusalem." He is a liberal, but his insight into the Middle East is good. Even better, I recommend reading a great author "Bernard Lewis, check out "The Middle East."
14 posted on 02/24/2006 5:39:46 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
The closer we get to producing a decent outcome [in Iraq], the crazier our opponents are going to get because they know if they lose it's strategic."
IOW:

15 posted on 02/24/2006 5:44:38 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Excellent observations, IMO.


16 posted on 02/24/2006 5:48:26 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show Since 2002 So You Don't Have To.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

All Friedman is saying as what the Administration and Military have been saying for 3 years. He just nuanced it in order to save face.


17 posted on 02/24/2006 5:52:20 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

It sounds like an act of desperation. They are losing so they see no harm in kicking over the table to shake things up.


18 posted on 02/24/2006 5:53:00 AM PST by BadAndy (The DemocRATs are the enemy's most effective weapon.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

To put it simply, Friedman is an a**. I don't care how many Pulitzers he has. The only time he's right is when he restates the blindingly obvious.


19 posted on 02/24/2006 6:01:44 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

So, it appears, Freidman thinks President Bush's strategery is working (finally he sees). Fight them over there, instead of over here.


20 posted on 02/24/2006 6:08:57 AM PST by Ditter
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