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Was the Askariya Mosque Bombing an Inside Job ?
The Morning Paper-Special Edition | 02/24/06 | vanity

Posted on 02/24/2006 3:53:10 PM PST by genefromjersey

The Askariya Mosque Bombing- An Inside Job ?

I have read some informal estimates –full of caveats – suggesting the bombing of the Askariya Mosque – said to be one of the holiest places in the Shi’ite Muslim world – may have been an “inside job” ; and that it may well have been carried out by pro-Iranian followers of a radical Iraqi Shi’ite: Muqtada al-Sadr.

- The mosque, which is located in a predominantly Sunni area of Samarra,seems unlikely to have been accessible to anyone but known Shi’ites.

- The explosive charges were probably laid in a walkway, about halfway up the dome : a circumstance suggestive of free access.

- The amount of explosive used (about 60 lbs of C-4 equivalent) again suggests free access by at least two people, who may have had to make repeated trips during the setup process.

- The setup time was probably 3-4 hours– which again suggests virtually unrestricted access.

Q. Why would a pro-Iranian Shi’ite radical want to do such a thing ?

A. If a civil war could be ignited , and Iran persuaded to invade (under the pretext of “rescuing” the endangered Shi’ite brethren) , it might be worth “a little structural damage” to a mosque – especially when the image of the damaged mosque* would serve to further inflame the populace.( Al-Sadr already has armed militia men out on the streets “because the Americans cannot protect us.”)

This not a particularly attractive prospect for us – or for anyone else in harm’s way !

*The Askariya Mosque is said by Shi’ites to be the place where Muhammad al-Mahdi-the promised redeemer of Islam –will materialize just before the End of Days. It is considered a “Shi’ite shrine” ; however, it is worth noting both “main branches” of Islam have shown no reluctance to use “holy buildings” ( pretty much a Western concept) for weapons storage, ambushes,and other “unholy” uses.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bombing; civilwar; intervention; iran; mahdi; mosque; mosques; samarra; shia; sunnis
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1 posted on 02/24/2006 3:53:11 PM PST by genefromjersey
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To: genefromjersey

The understanding of Islamic logic has always been something that eludes me.


2 posted on 02/24/2006 3:55:30 PM PST by Radix (I really love the liberals they put the FUN in funerals.)
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To: genefromjersey

Shades of Kristalnacht???


3 posted on 02/24/2006 3:56:59 PM PST by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: genefromjersey

It was pretty obvious from the pictures of the destruction
that whoever did it was knowledgeable in the use and placement of explosives.
What I read was that as many as 6 to 8 men dressed in
police uniforms entered the mosque.

The Alquieda lackeys of Iran's fanatical mullahs probably
did this, fear and terror are easy to fan into flames.
We can look forward to hearing that the Kurds are somehow behind this too, just to keep the pot boiling over.

Sure hope the ground forces and the Iraqi police can
bring whoever did this to the surface, soon!


4 posted on 02/24/2006 4:00:41 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: genefromjersey

I have a hard time believing that dedicated Shi'ites would destroy one of the most important Shi'ite shrines. A little like Catholics blowing up Saint Peter's.


5 posted on 02/24/2006 4:00:54 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: genefromjersey

It's possible.

Early stories said that the perpetrators were dressed as police officers, which might explain how they got in.

I'm sorry we don't seem to have heard much more. If they have the perps in custody, it seems like they should be questioning them and announcing the results.


6 posted on 02/24/2006 4:01:24 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: genefromjersey
If a civil war could be ignited , and Iran persuaded to invade (under the pretext of “rescuing” the endangered Shi’ite brethren) , it might be worth “a little structural damage” to a mosque – especially when the image of the damaged mosque* would serve to further inflame the populace.( Al-Sadr already has armed militia men out on the streets “because the Americans cannot protect us.”)

This not a particularly attractive prospect for us – or for anyone else in harm’s way !


On the contrary, it would remove any need to invoke preemption in removing Iran's nuclear facilities as they would be the agressors. Since a US attack would probably provoke an invasion anyway, nothing is lost.
7 posted on 02/24/2006 4:07:57 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Cicero

I've read the call to morning prayers was at 5 am...the bombing took place at 6:55 am...so how would they plant as much as 200 lbs of explosive in that short of time...unless the perps where hiding in the mosque overnite.


8 posted on 02/24/2006 4:10:07 PM PST by Dog (Why do I have all these terror facts in my head?)
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To: Radix
The understanding of Islamic logic has always been something that eludes me.

No wonder it eludes you. Like the mythical Bigfoot, there is no such creature.
9 posted on 02/24/2006 4:12:52 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: popdonnelly

Pop, we're looking at it from a Western point of view.

They use mosques for just about anything but keeping pigs.
I saw somewhere, the last time repairs were done on the place was 1905 (!)


10 posted on 02/24/2006 4:14:11 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: genefromjersey
The mosque, which is located in a predominantly Sunni area of Samarra,seems unlikely to have been accessible to anyone but known Shi’ites.

This is senseless. The fact this shrine is not in a Shi'ite region makes it more likely it was Sunnis or AQ. They wouldn't get away with such an action in Karbala or Najaf.

11 posted on 02/24/2006 4:17:48 PM PST by Shermy
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To: genefromjersey

Could be I guess. If it is somehow connected with this Mahdi nonsense, then that could point to that nut cup Iranian president, Ahzdkeoqad*sl/ or whatever the fool's name is since he's a fanatic of that whole Mahdi slop.

But Al Sadr was calling for calm this morning, so that sort of brings this theory into question. But then again the guy is so crazy maybe he forgot he ordered this.


12 posted on 02/24/2006 4:23:07 PM PST by MikeA (New York owes America an apology for Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer)
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To: genefromjersey

>Pop, we're looking at it from a Western point of view<

Not that it couldn't happen here, gene. The Islamic mentality may not be regional, but a question of degrees of evil, for evil is universal. Some may call it "strategy". Anything to jeopardize what the U.S. is attempting to establish over there.


13 posted on 02/24/2006 4:27:14 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: popdonnelly
"I have a hard time believing that dedicated Shi'ites would destroy one of the most important Shi'ite shrines. A little like Catholics blowing up Saint Peter's."

Not if you are a radical Shiite who hates Sunnis more than you hate other infidels. Comparing radical Islam to mainstream Christianity is like comparing apples to suicide bombers.

It seems pretty clear to me this was an inside job with the help of Iran.
14 posted on 02/24/2006 4:27:56 PM PST by Left2Right ("Democracy isn't perfect, but other governments are so much worse")
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To: Shermy

This is senseless. The fact this shrine is not in a Shi'ite region makes it more likely it was Sunnis or AQ. They wouldn't get away with such an action in Karbala or Najaf.



Sunnis/insurgents/AQ rigged bombs inside slain children while inside Mosques to kill grieving parents...

You really think it's above anyone over there to blow up their own mosques to stir anger?

I thought it was Sadr all the way, and i posted my views the same few hours after it was posted here, when the bombing happened.

no question about it.


15 posted on 02/24/2006 4:30:17 PM PST by kajingawd (Humans share 50.6% of their DNA with bananas.... I can't wait for the next Evolution.)
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To: popdonnelly
I would tend to disagree, respectfully, with your assumption. There is no comparison to a Catholic blowing up St. Peters. The reason is that the Islamic radicals are more concerned with the further advancement of their ideals rather than their religion. The mindset of the extremists is laid out pretty well in Jeremy Corsi's Atomic Iran. Any advantage to further the cause, is worth the sacrifice (?) of a building or even thousands of their "own" muslims in a nuclear exchange. There is not rational mindset, or negotiating with them. But, your point is understood. I hope this furthered the discussion.
16 posted on 02/24/2006 4:33:06 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature ( NOW my pug is REALLY on her war footing.)
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To: Shermy

Do you seriously think AQ Sunnis would be able to get near a Shi'ite mosque after all the attacks they've done ?


17 posted on 02/24/2006 4:33:41 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: popdonnelly

I'd say it's more like Hitler burning down the Reichstag.


18 posted on 02/24/2006 4:37:53 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: genefromjersey

"Do you seriously think AQ Sunnis would be able to get near a Shi'ite mosque after all the attacks they've done ?"

They get near such mosques all the time. As for the shrines these are better protected. The one they attacked happened to be the one Shi'a shrine located in a Sunni city.

Assume there are Catholic shrines in Belfast. All but one are in the Catholic neighborhoods. Which one would Protestant terrorists strike if they were inclined so?


19 posted on 02/24/2006 4:42:05 PM PST by Shermy
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

So perhaps Iran is being drawn into Iraq to help remove the pre-emption issue.


20 posted on 02/24/2006 4:42:53 PM PST by hollywood (Stay on topic, please.)
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