BTW: To all neoconfederates. I may be dead, but I can STILL kick your a-s!
Posted on 03/03/2006 11:37:56 AM PST by Rebeleye
I believe you are overly optimistic. Had the South gained independence, it is quite possible that the United States would have fragmented further, with the Far West, the Middle Atlantic states, and the Ohio Valley states all going their own ways. Britain, France, Germany, and possibly smaller nations like Italy, the Netherlands, and Belgium would have established colonial empires in the Western Hemisphere. By 1900, the Americas, the former United States included, would have been as sliced up among the European powers as Africa of that time was. Southern independence would possibly have led to the recolonization of the Western Hemisphere and the re-forging of European chains on both Anglo and Latin Americans.
Germany would have not been defeated in WWI
A German victory or an armistice in that war would have been a better outcome for the world. Had the German, Austrian, Ottoman, and Russian Empires survived World War I, there would probably been no Nazism or fascism, no Communism, and no Muslim extremism.
You cannot explain it, there are no words. It's in our heart and soul.
It has nothing to do with race. Racism and biogtry is bad in any part of the country. And I would suggest that those who continually dump on the South start logging the trees in their eyes.
I lived in Syracuse for 17 years. My last name is rare among whites. My neighbors learned our last name before we moved in. They were sweating bullets, they thought a black family was moving in.
If I had a dime for everytime I heard "I couldn't move to the South--too many blacks," I would be a rich woman. They thought the South consisted of two groups, Blacks and Klan. I usually answered it by saying, "Yeah, I feel the same way up here, a WASP whose name does not end in a vowel." They got the message.
Time for you guys to come in out of the cold and lower the American flag. Time to admit that your people lost the Vietnamese War. You and they rolled over -- we didn't. Like the commercial says, "this one's for you."
Take your American-flag decals off your bumpers and license plates. Take the flag off your houses -- this is the age of NAFTA, and of "North American" consciousness. The Council on Foreign Relations has told Congress to get with it: you do your part, too, please.
Time for you "patriots" to grow up and join the 21st century.
And while you're at it -- take your state flags off your homepages, too. They just look foolish there, advertising a doubtful "allegiance" to an entity you barely recognize anymore -- and wouldn't notice at all, if it weren't for the occasional inconvenience. Hardly one in 15 of your fellow state "citizens" can even tell you what your state flag looks like. You barely even believe in states and state government -- who are you fooling? It's actually a little embarrassing seeing those little flags up there, as if they actually meant something.
This is the age of globe-girdling economic octopi, the proud children of your Yankee Gilded Age -- and now of NAFTA, when Oceania is becoming. Big Brother's coming, and it's time to put away the last of your childhood attachments. Time to welcome the coming of INGSOC, and grow up. We're all little people now, thanks to your exertions.
Welcome to the new century, the Century of World Empire. And thanks, guys, for all the support.
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LOL -- I bellyfeel your Newthink, Brother!
Been drinking at the fountain of MiniTrue, have you?
No Nazism or fascism, perhaps, but Pan-Germanism was already very popular before World War I, and was indeed a component of Bismarck's foreign policy. The term and its definition were formulated in 1880, but Bismarck had already acted on it in waging the Franco-Prussian War to retrieve Alsace and Lorraine from France and eliminate French influence among the German states.
BTW, lumping Nazism and fascism together is a mistake; the Nazis and Italian fascists understood the difference very well. The best way to differentiate them is by noticing their diametrically-opposed policies toward the class system: the Italians used the class system as a buttress of the State, whose welfare they put ahead of all other considerations. The German Nazis militated against classism, which they considered divisive of popular unity: to them the German Volk and its welfare were paramount, and the Nazi state just a means to the end. The class system, by dividing the People, weakened them, and so the class system was objectively bad in Nazi theory.
Which shows, btw, that while Italian fascism and Spanish falangism were arguably right-wing, the Nazi Party was provably left-wing in its affinities to other Socialist parties of the time, shown not least by its hostility to classism.
It's always about you, isn't it? LOL!
I can tell you're running out of arguments when you start standing on the caps key......
Here's a quarter. Buy a clue.
My van is here already; where do you want my batteries?
More like 18 months, from August 2004.
More middle-of-the-night RiNO gutlessness.
BTW: To all neoconfederates. I may be dead, but I can STILL kick your a-s!
It won't stop here. Other symbols will follow to be replaced by One World symbols. Brave New World.
Key sentence. Before the late 1940s it was rare to see a "Confederate" flag even in the South. The reason I put "Confederate" in quotes is that what is usually thought of as the Confederate flag was never a Confederate flag at all. The Stars and Bars was the Confederate flag used until 1863. Then a SQUARE version of what is incorrectly thought of as the Confederate flag was used in the upper left hand corner of a white flag which was used until early 1865 when a red stripe along the right edge of the flag was added.
The incorrect rectangular version only appeared frequently only around 1948 with the formation of the Dixiecrat Party and especially in the 1950s following the Supreme Court desegregation decision when many Southern states added versions of the "Confederate" flag to their state flags.
Even the Klan almost never used the "Confederate" flag prior to 1950. If you look at photos of the big Klan march in Washington in the 1920s during their high point, you see a lot of American flags but NO Confederate flags.
The fact is that the "Confederate" flag is revised history. The Confederate Battle Flag upon which the "Confederate" flag is based was ALWAYS square, NOT rectangular.
I appreciate the south's history and admire their commitment to history but the outrage about the removal of a flag that wasnt even the confederate flag seems less about history and more about a disconnected loyalty to a long since past generation where many would agree was an ugly time in America's history.
I LOVE the south. Nicest people you could meet but I would think its time for many to move on from the past, no offense.
Be it a war against slavery or a heavy handed move by the government, its long since been resolved.
Knowing southerns are some of THE most patriotic Americans in the states today, I dont understand the necessity to want to have it both ways. Most patriotic as well as separtists stemming from a war over 100 yrs ago?
I dont agree with the given reasons behind the removal of symbol in the flag. Its not a sign of hatred in my opinion. Its a flag of southern pride that had little to do with slavery or racism though many today proudly display it as an open signal of their bigotry, which is where the problem for the people in favor of removing it stems from.
Just wish both sides of the argument would just learn from the past and go forth rather than grab history by the neck and never let go...
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