"Okay, but just one more question first."
Posted on 03/11/2006 11:30:40 AM PST by blam
How exactly are they to determine whether he was from Genoa, or Portugal, or Spain?
I am happy to say that has already happened.
I do not have a reference, but I am certain that I have seen that claim. More than once.
Well, that's clearly as good as actually knowing something.
Sorry to have attached that question to your post. I was hoping someone reading this thread might know.
The family name of the most numerous body of Columbus decendants is "CARVAJAL", or "CARBOHAL", or "CARVALHO" (depending on the country/language in which the name is rendered).
"Turks" ~ the Arabs had not been particularly bothersome for the previous 400 years since they were under the thumb of the Ottomans, who were NOT Arabs.
maybe if the enamel from any teeth is present, or from his brother as well, they can get some idea where he was born, at least.
I hope his Y haplotype is R1b M343 like mine...
He was also, no doubt, Gay.
"Okay, but just one more question first."
Whenever I see expensive research like this, I wonder who the heck is paying for it.
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REMOVAL OF THE REMAINS OF COLUMBUS
It is stated from Havana that the remains of Christopher Columbus, the discoverer of the New World, are again to be removed to a new and splendid cemetery, soon to be opened near that city. They are to be deposited in a silver urn, upon which will be inscribed in letters of gold the most remarkable events of his great enterprise. A bronze statue is to be erected over them, representing the great discoverer in the attitude of revealing the great mission of his wonderful life.
Columbus died Ascension day, the 20th of May, 1506, in about the 70th year of his age. His obsequies were celebrated with great pomp at Valladolid, and his body deposited in the Convent of San Francisco. Then, nine years after, in the year 1513 [sic? their date], it was removed to the Carthusian monastery of Seville, where likewise was deposited the body of his son, Diego. Twenty-three years after, in the year 1539, the body of both the admiral and his son were removed, with appropriate pomp and ceremonies, to the New World he had discovered, and interred in the principal chapel of Santa Domingo, Hispaniola. There they remained undisturbed for the period of 250 years.
In the year 1805, however, at the close of the war between France and Spain, all the Spanish possessions in the island of Hispaniola were ceded to France, whereupon a request was preferred to the French Governor to have the remains of Columbus removed to Cuba. The request was granted, and on the 20th of December, 1795, the vault in the cathedral of San Domingo was for the first time in nearly two hundred years opened. "Within," says the record of the event, "were found the fragments of a leaden coffin, a number of bones, and a quantity of mould [sic], evidently the remains of a human body. These were carefully collected and put into a case of gilded lead, about a half an ell in length and breadth, and a third in height, secured by an iron lock, the key of which was delivered to the Archbishop. The case was enclosed in a coffin, covered with black velvet, and ornamented with lace and gold.
After appropriate funeral ceremonies, the body was taken on board the ship San Lorenzo and taken to Havana, where it arrived on the 15th of January, 1796. It was received in the most solemn manner, with all the honor given to a sovereign. "On arriving at the mole, the remains were then met by the Governor of the Island, accompanied by his generals and military staff. The coffin was then conveyed between the files of soldiery which lined the streets to the obelisk, in the Place d'Armes, where it was received in a hearse prepared for the purpose. Here the remains were formally delivered to the Governor and Captain General of the island, the key given to him, the coffin opened and examined, and the safe transportation of its contents authenticated."
The ceremony concluded, the solemn rites of the dead were performed by the archbishop, and the remains of the great discoverer were again deposited in the wall, on the right side of the Cathedral of Havana, where they have ever since remained, the object of reverence to all visitors of the island.
Given their importance, I wonder if the remains were ever split up in the past, with part of them going overseas and part being kept at home.
Don't fault me for the dates posted above. They are as they appeared in the article (e.g., 1805 followed by 1795).
Nice find. Thank you for sharing.
Interesting, thanks.
The routes went through Bedouin territory, or Egypt at least, and every tribe had its own fee for safe transit, renegotiated every caravan. When the Romans held the routes, trade went to Rome, and India prospered. When Rome fell, so did India--collateral damage. Columbus sought to reestablish direct trade with India, which would restore both Europe (Spain, Italy) and India to a degree of wealth. America intervened, and somewhat later Jefferson tried continue Columbus' idea by establishing a route to China across the American West, which ran out of river, but by the time the railroads pushed across, New Orleans was the major port.
If he's Jewish they'll be able to tell. Some genetic researcher has traced several lines of Jewish DNA tracing back to the original tribes.
He can tell if a modern Jew named Cohen actually has DNA markers that track back to the tribe that was selected as the priests.
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