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Fort Worth Star-Telegram ^ | March 12, 2006 | Jack Z. Smith

Posted on 03/13/2006 7:51:18 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

In the next few decades, the ever-growing Dallas-Fort Worth area could experience striking changes in the way that people and goods move.

North Central Texas' population has been ballooning faster than the transportation infrastructure -- a situation akin to that of a growing middle-schooler whose old jeans don't quite fit anymore.

With the Metroplex expected to add about 4 million people by 2030, it's hard to imagine the hellish traffic jams that we'll face in the future unless we take giant steps to reverse course. New transportation projects and strategies are being hashed out now that might someday save us from the bumper-to-bumper bummer of growing gridlock.

Here are examples of projects already in the works or being contemplated by state, regional and local officials:

The Trans-Texas Corridor's TTC-35 segment is proposed to run from the Oklahoma border to the Metroplex and on to the Mexican border. Its primary goal is to relieve congestion on packed Interstate 35 and in the big cities through which it passes (Fort Worth, Dallas, Austin and San Antonio). Motorists can expect to pay sizable tolls on the new, less clogged, higher-speed route.

Some stretches of TTC-35 might include -- within a broad corridor up to 1,200 feet wide -- separate lanes for passenger vehicles and large freight trucks, freight railways, high-speed passenger rail and conduits for water lines, oil and natural gas pipelines, transmission of electricity and broadband.

A fully developed TTC-35 system in the Metroplex could include a gigantic outer loop with separate corridors for toll-paying autos traveling 65 to 70 miles per hour, freight trains and 18-wheelers.

The outer loop, as envisioned by the North Central Texas Council of Governments (COG), would run through the northern part of Denton and Collin counties, an eastern segment of Wise County, along the Tarrant County-Parker County border, through the northern half of Johnson and Ellis counties and around the eastern edge of Dallas County.

A high-speed rail line could shoot northward between Dallas and Fort Worth to Dallas-Fort Worth Airport. The line might roughly parallel Texas 360, which could be extended southward toward Hillsboro.

Outlying rail corridors could be developed to reroute much of the freight train traffic around Fort Worth and Dallas, enabling local rail freight to move more quickly and reducing bottlenecks that urban motorists face at numerous rail crossings.

Space could be freed up on older central-city rail corridors for use by commuter rail lines. This expanded use of mass transit would help offset expected increases in the number of passenger vehicles clogging our roads as a result of population growth.

Existing railroad tracks could be upgraded and additional sets of tracks installed in long-established rail corridors. This could result in faster movement of freight trains and Amtrak passenger trains traveling to and from Dallas-Fort Worth.

High-speed intercity passenger rail -- perhaps bullet trains going 200 mph -- could connect Dallas-Fort Worth, Austin, San Antonio, Bryan-College Station and Houston. In addition, this high-speed network could be connected with federally designated high-speed rail corridors running through the Southeastern U.S. and on to New England.

A regional authority might be created to foster a greatly expanded Metroplex system of light rail (such as Dallas Area Rapid Transit, or DART, already operates) and commuter rail (such as the Trinity Railway Express jointly operated by DART and the Fort Worth Transportation Authority, or The T).

New commuter rail lines might run from Fort Worth to D/FW Airport along the old Cotton Belt Railroad route; from downtown Fort Worth to the city's southwest quadrant; and from Fort Worth eastward through Arlington and Grand Prairie and on to Dallas via Union Pacific Railroad tracks.

Future commuters also could travel by rail from Denton to Carrollton to downtown Dallas. Outlying cities throughout the Metroplex also have expressed interest in commuter rail service. For example, officials in the Johnson County cities of Cleburne, Joshua, Crowley and Burleson have expressed interest in gaining commuter rail service that would link them to Fort Worth and Dallas.

Construction of new roads -- as well as expansions of and improvements to existing ones -- will continue to be an important means of countering gridlock. For example, a $762 million makeover of the Grapevine Funnel will help relieve congestion on the seven highways that converge between D/FW Airport and Lake Grapevine.

Dedicated lanes for 18-wheelers could be established on some major Metroplex roads, in part as a safety measure to separate them from smaller passenger vehicles.

Progressive development strategies are increasingly being embraced by elected officials and planners who have come to realize that taming the region's transportation and air quality problems involves more than merely building more roads or constructing new commuter rail lines.

There's a major push, buttressed by federal grant money, for creation of more "sustainable development" -- development that will remain functional even in the wake of a continued population explosion and increased gridlock.

Urban "mixed-use" developments that include higher-density housing, job hubs, retail stores, restaurants, public schools, green space and mass transit stops all in one area can dramatically reduce the amount of driving that people do for work, shopping, education, dining and entertainment.

Some of the contemplated developments in transportation are virtually certain or at least likely to become reality. Others might be only partially realized or never go beyond the scope of brainstorming sessions.

Some projects could be scrapped or pared back as a result of high costs, political opposition, the expense and difficulty of acquiring right of way, or slower-than-expected population growth that diminishes the amount of additional transportation infrastructure needed.

One budding trend is likely to continue: Tolls increasingly will be levied on motorists to help pay for major road projects, especially if skittish state elected officials continue to believe that raising the modest state gasoline tax of 20 cents per gallon is political suicide.

The rate of population growth will be a primary factor in determining how many new roads and mass-transit routes are needed. The North Central Texas COG has forecast that the population of a 10-county Metroplex area will explode from fewer than 5.1 million residents in 2000 to more than 9.1 million by 2030.

In terms of transportation developments, Metroplex residents should learn more about the shape of things to come within the next several years, after the likely routes of key segments of the TTC-35 corridor are more solidly established and related transportation projects in the Dallas-Fort Worth area are mapped out more fully.

Corridor considerations

The Trans-Texas Corridor, fervently backed by Gov. Rick Perry and Texas Transportation Commission Chairman Ric Williamson of Weatherford, is proposed to help relieve gridlock in the state's largest cities by diverting substantial volumes of traffic, freight and utilities around them.

Some segments of the proposed statewide Trans-Texas Corridor system might not be completed for several decades -- or perhaps might never be built, as a result of insufficient funding, discouraging cost-benefit analyses, opposition by rural landowners or other factors. But the initial steps in the corridor's development are being taken.

A new Central Texas highway, Texas 130, running east of Interstate 35 and the Austin area, is under construction and could become part of the TTC-35 system. A portion of Texas 130 is expected to open next year.

Sometime soon, presumably this month or next, the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) and the Federal Highway Administration are expected to release a report suggesting a proposed general route for the primary 600-mile TTC-35 corridor from the Oklahoma border to the Metroplex and on to the Mexican border.

Currently, the path that the TTC-35 corridor would take has been restricted to a 50-mile-wide swath. The new report would narrow the proposed path to a 10-mile-wide "study corridor" that would be discussed beginning in May in more than 50 public hearings in North Central Texas and other areas along the suggested corridor route.

After the hearings, a final 10-mile-wide study corridor could be approved in 2007 for the 600-mile primary corridor. Following that, specific routes for various segments of the corridor would be determined at varying times in coming years. It could take three to five years to determine the specific route for a particular segment.

The Trans-Texas Corridor is to be constructed gradually, as transportation needs dictate. Although some segments could be under construction within five to 10 years, the full statewide corridor system might not be completed for 40 to 50 years -- and some portions might never be built.

Future additions to the TTC-35 system, beyond the 600-mile primary corridor, eventually could be developed in the Metroplex.

The players

Under a plan accepted by the Texas Transportation Commission in December 2004, Madrid-based Cintra and San Antonio-based Zachry Construction are the lead partners in a venture in which they propose to use $6 billion in private investment to build a 316-mile, four-lane toll road segment of the TTC-35 corridor from the Dallas-Fort Worth area to San Antonio and also pay a $1.2 billion concession fee that the state could use to help pay for related transportation projects. In exchange, Cintra-Zachry would collect tolls on the TTC-35 segment for 50 years. But TxDOT has not approved a binding construction contract with Cintra and Zachry.

Cintra-Zachry has proposed that the 600-mile TTC-35 primary corridor run from the Oklahoma border, around the southeast edge of Dallas, southward east of Hillsboro and the existing Interstate 35, then intersect with the new Texas 130 northeast of Georgetown and go on to the San Antonio area and the Mexican border.

A potential secondary route for TTC-35 could go west around Tarrant County to provide a major new traffic artery around the western half of the Metroplex.

But the Cintra-Zachry team has not proposed that TTC-35 include a leg running up the middle of the Metroplex between Fort Worth and Dallas and on to D/FW Airport, as urged by COG's Regional Transportation Council (RTC), which includes elected officials from 16 counties.

Although TxDOT and the Federal Highway Administration are the primary government agencies involved with the planning and development of TTC-35, they should give heavy consideration to the opinions of Metroplex political and civic leaders -- most notably COG and the RTC.

In a resolution passed 13 months ago, the RTC endorsed a variety of measures designed to relieve passenger vehicle, freight truck and freight rail congestion in the Metroplex and encourage the expansion of mass transit (especially high-speed rail and urban commuter rail).

In accord with the resolution, COG staffers have formulated general concepts and illustrations of how four transportation modes -- freight rail, auto, truck and passenger rail -- might be developed as components of the TTC-35 system or links to it.

The RTC urges that the proposed TTC-35 corridor proceed northward between Fort Worth and Dallas, running along the general path of an extended Texas 360 and including high-speed rail running to D/FW Airport.

The RTC suggests developing freight corridors -- for both truck and rail freight -- that could be part of the TTC-35 system and run in a general east-west direction south of Fort Worth and Dallas and then around the west edge of Tarrant County and east edge of Dallas County as they extended northward. These "bypass" corridors could become part of the huge outer loop that also would let passenger vehicles travel swiftly around Dallas, Fort Worth and other Metroplex cities.

The outlying freight rail corridor could help relieve congestion at Tower 55, a rail hub on the southeast edge of downtown Fort Worth where the north-south Burlington Northern Santa Fe and east-west Union Pacific tracks meet at grade to form one of the worst train choke points in the nation. ("At grade" means that the tracks intersect on the same level rather than one passing over the other.)

The congestion at Tower 55 is akin to the nightmarish auto and truck gridlock that would occur if there were a traffic stoplight at Interstates 35W and 30 in downtown Fort Worth, said Mike Sims, a COG senior program manager for transportation.

"Most rail people say [Tower 55] is the busiest rail intersection at grade west of the Mississippi," Sims said.

In addition to the proposal to help relieve Tower 55's rail jam by rerouting many freight trains around the Metroplex, there has been talk of digging a deep, subsurface north-south trench through which Burlington Northern trains could travel at a level under the Tower 55 bottleneck.

But a trench running from the north edge of downtown Fort Worth to the city's Medical District might cost more than $800 million.

Diverting more freight trains around the Metroplex also could route potentially hazardous cargo outside heavily populated areas.

Creation of a new state rail relocation fund, authorized by Texas voters with the passage of a constitutional amendment in November, could provide a financing mechanism for some rail projects.

The overarching goal of many transportation planners is to create a much more seamless system that better links different travel modes so that riding a bus or commuter train becomes a convenient and feasible alternative for more North Central Texas residents. State legislation adopted in recent years has created new financing opportunities for transportation projects, particularly for toll roads developed through newly created regional mobility authorities or public-private partnerships such as TxDOT's proposed coupling with Cintra-Zachry.

Many local elected officials would like a more reliable, ongoing funding source such as a dedicated sales tax to finance expanded regional rail transit. But some statewide elected officials and legislators have balked at supporting legislation to enable that.

Doing nothing could prove disastrous. The average Metroplex motorist already spends 60 hours annually stuck in traffic, the equivalent of one-and-a- half full workweeks, according to the Texas Transportation Institute at Texas A&M University.

Unless the transportation system sees major gridlock-busting improvements, congestion could get far worse during the next 20 years, particularly in fast-growing Fort Worth and Tarrant County.

Approximately $100 billion will be needed to effectively address Metroplex transportation needs and keep congestion from getting worse by 2025, the RTC has estimated.

Going forward, local, state and federal officials need to communicate more effectively and strive to get on the same page in formulating solutions for North Central Texas' transportation headaches.

As state and federal officials move toward selecting a more specific proposed route for the TTC-35 system in the Metroplex, they should strongly consider the RTC recommendation that a corridor run up the region's middle between Fort Worth and Dallas.

Even if officials at all levels cooperate fully in coming years, it will be difficult to find effective and affordable means of meeting all the pressing transportation needs of the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

Minus such cooperation, it probably will prove impossible.

IN THE KNOW

To learn more

North Central Texas Council of Governments, Transportation Issues: www.nctcog.org/trans

Trans-Texas Corridor: www.keeptexasmoving.org

Texas Department of Transportation: www.txdot.state.tx.us


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The logical route: As traffic clogs Bexar County, one option stands out

Web Posted: 03/12/2006 12:00 AM CST

Rebeca Chapa
Editorial writer

It's 5:30 on a Friday afternoon, and traffic is bumper-to-bumper on U.S. 281. There's a fender bender at Encino Rio, and cars are streaming in and out of subdivisions and shopping centers. It's a typical frustrating drive for thousands of commuters traveling on U.S. 281 into or out of San Antonio.

And it's going to get worse unless we as a community do something about it now, be it toll roads, light rail, expanded mass transit or some combination of options.

Currently, roads are built and maintained using money from the 38.4-cent gas tax, which is made up of an 18.4-cent federal tax and a 20-cent state tax.

The state tax also funds schools, the Texas Department of Public Safety and other state needs. It hasn't increased since 1991, when it grew by a nickel.

Toll road advocates argue that it would take a tax increase of 50 cents to $1.25 per gallon to keep up with current and future needs. Consumers wouldn't stomach it, and suggesting it would be politically suicidal for a politician.

Texas Transportation Commissioner Hope Andrade of San Antonio said the failure to raise the gas tax incrementally was poor planning.

"It's our leadership," she said.

"They didn't think about preparing us for that."

But pointing the finger doesn't solve the problem, and now leaders are scrambling to come up with ways to make up the growing financial shortfall. Many see only one logical way out: toll roads.

"We don't see any other realistic option," said Joe Krier, chairman of the San Antonio Mobility Coalition and president and CEO of the Greater San Antonio Chamber of Commerce.

Krier and others argue that tolling roads will give consumers a market choice about paying for new roads.

Without the option, road projects will continue to be built as they have in the past, on the slower pay-as-you-go system.

How tolls figure in planning

Tolling U.S. 281 has been the subject of intense media coverage and some public outcry. Opponents, most notably the San Antonio Toll Party, call the project a form of double taxation, since the existing roads have already been paid for with taxpayer dollars.

But all tolled roads will run alongside nontolled ones, giving motorists an option, says the Alamo Regional Mobility Authority, or RMA, a local body created in 2003 to develop and fund toll projects in partnership with the state.

The U.S. 281 toll project is one small part of a proposed 70-mile toll system that would incorporate the northern swath of Loop 1604 from Texas 151 to Interstate 10; U.S. 281 north of 1604; a small slice of Wurzbach Parkway; and Interstate 35 from the northern county line to downtown.

And toll roads are part of a much broader statewide transportation plan known as the Trans-Texas Corridor. The network, heavily touted by Gov. Rick Perry, could accommodate freight rail, high-speed commuter rail and separate lanes for car and trucks and have capacity for utility lines.

Ric Williamson, chairman of the Texas Transportation Commission who was handpicked by Perry, has been one of the project's most ardent advocates.

Cintra-Zachry, a consortium of Spanish and local interests, has received a $3.5 million contract to produce a development and financial plan for a portion of the corridor.

A useful delay

Cintra-Zachry has also put a bid in for the controversial U.S. 281 project, which was recently put on hold for at least a year by a legal challenge. A lawsuit filed in December by People for Efficient Transportation Inc. and Aquifer Guardians in Urban Areas contended that existing environmental assessments don't provide an adequate picture of the impact such a project could have on the area.

The Federal Highway Administration concurred, pulled its environmental clearances and effectively halted construction. A new environmental assessment is being conducted along a 12-mile stretch of U.S. 281.

The delay prompted by the lawsuit is an opportunity for local leaders to be more transparent about the proposed toll projects and for opponents to cool the rhetoric and seriously consider the options before them.

Some local officials are using the delay to raise questions about the necessity of tolling versus other alternatives to relieving the congestion.

Bexar County Commissioners Lyle Larson and Tommy Adkisson sent a letter to state legislators in January, asking that TxDOT re-allocate funding for the starter toll system to build overpasses at Encino Rio, Stone Oak Parkway and Borgfeld Road, as well as an additional highway lane in each direction.

For Adkisson, the negotiation process has been just as problematic as the project itself.

"It was born in deception," Adkisson said. "They've tried to cram too much down our throats too quickly."

Many point to the two private bidders — Cintra of Spain and Macquarie of Australia — as evidence that the state is selling out to moneyed interests that have an eye for profits. Because the companies are willing to invest their own money in the project, their preliminary proposals are partially confidential.

RMA officials acknowledge that the process has evolved rapidly. The RMA was created just more than two years ago and has had to invent itself in a short period. As for the confidentiality attached to the proposals, officials admit it is different from the standard bidding procedure.

"It is new to me," said Terry Brechtel, executive director of the RMA. "I haven't seen this process before. Am I comfortable with it? Yes."

Other states

Toll roads are not uncommon across the country — or even Texas. Houston has 83 miles of tolled roads operated by the Harris County Toll Road Authority. In Dallas, the North Texas Tollway Authority operates 52 miles of tolled roads, as well as the Mountain Creek Lake Bridge and the Addison Airport Toll Tunnel.

In those cases, a tolling authority funds and operates the roads. But private sector financing and operation of toll roads is becoming more common as officials buck up against a tide of development not matched by sufficient increases in revenue.

Macquarie-Cintra, a consortium made up of the Australian and Spanish firms, recently submitted a bid to operate the 157-mile Indiana Toll Road. The company has offered the state $3.85 billion to maintain, operate and profit from the major thoroughfare that traverses the Hawkeye State from east to west along its northern border.

The deal, spearheaded by Republican Gov. Mitch Daniels, passed the Republican-controlled state House and Senate this month.

The plan is now in committee, and a final compromise bill could be reached by Tuesday, the deadline to vote on it.

Macquarie-Cintra already operates the 7.8-mile Chicago Skyway, having paid $1.8 billion for that 99-year lease.

Separately, the two firms are competing for the U.S. 281 toll project, but their final development proposals aren't expected for several months.

Garnering support

Officials acknowledge that the public isn't fully convinced of the need for toll roads.

"We underestimated the interest and the passion of the opposition," Krier said.

"We just let a lot of misinformation get out."

One of the major sticking points for some is the use of a foreign company to build and operate the roads.

"We don't need foreign countries with their hands in our pockets any more than they are already," one Express-News reader recently stated in a letter to the editor.

But foreign investment is a way of life in this day and age, toll advocates say.

"Nobody complained when Toyota came to town," Brechtel said, referring to the $850-million Japanese-owned manufacturing conglomerate set to begin producing Tundra trucks a year from now.

Officials haven't committed to either toll consortium yet and are still looking at publicly funded toll roads.

Two public meetings on the toll project are scheduled this month: March 29 at Reagan High School and March 30 at Bush Middle School. Both will begin at 6 p.m.

1 posted on 03/13/2006 7:51:24 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: TxDOT; 1066AD; 185JHP; Abcdefg; Adrastus; Alamo-Girl; antivenom; anymouse; AprilfromTexas; ...

Trans-Texas Corridor PING!


2 posted on 03/13/2006 7:52:05 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Now is the time for all good customes agents in Tiajunna to come to the aid of their stuned beebers!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Gee--I thought Rush said we could fit the whole population of the USA (or was it the whole population of planet Earth) in Texas, no problem?


3 posted on 03/13/2006 8:24:15 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I got a novel idea! How about using the state gas taxes on road construction and maintenance only and nothing else??
Sounds to me like the state gas taxes are used for other stuff too, kinda like Social Security.


4 posted on 03/13/2006 10:16:56 PM PST by biff
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To: biff
Sounds to me like the state gas taxes are used for other stuff too, kinda like Social Security.

Taxes keep going up, and things like infrastructure maintanence are deferred for 'lack of money' you can bet your city/county/state is putting a vast majority of your tax money into the outrageous overpriced pension plans and benefits for the elected and the bureaucrats. You won't have to dig very far to find that this is a major major problem with our government budgets.
5 posted on 03/13/2006 10:49:39 PM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BTTT


6 posted on 03/14/2006 3:02:14 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"Currently, the path that the TTC-35 corridor would take has been restricted to a 50-mile-wide swath. The new report would narrow the proposed path to a 10-mile-wide "study corridor" that would be discussed beginning in May in more than 50 public hearings in North Central Texas and other areas along the suggested corridor route.

After the hearings, a final 10-mile-wide study corridor could be approved in 2007 for the 600-mile primary corridor. Following that, specific routes for various segments of the corridor would be determined at varying times in coming years. It could take three to five years to determine the specific route for a particular segment.

The Trans-Texas Corridor is to be constructed gradually, as transportation needs dictate. Although some segments could be under construction within five to 10 years, the full statewide corridor system might not be completed for 40 to 50 years -- and some portions might never be built.

Future additions to the TTC-35 system, beyond the 600-mile primary corridor, eventually could be developed in the Metroplex."

$o many trial balloon$ to float, $o little time....
7 posted on 03/14/2006 11:08:06 AM PST by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are familiar bedfellows)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Diddle E. Squat

Thanks for the ping... This is one of the better indepth articles trying to cover various sections of the overall transportation problems in Texas. Granted it focuses on the DFW Metroplex area as it's from the Star Telegram but one area that still needs a lot of attention is Houston and it's fast growing port. The I-69 corridor will be more for the Houston area but it's probably further away than some of the TTC-35 development.

It mentions a high speed rail out of DFW. There was a group a few years back that spent a good bit of time and effort looking at a route along I-45 from Houston to the DFW area. It never materialised to anything and was finally disbanded.


8 posted on 03/14/2006 12:55:11 PM PST by deport
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To: Age of Reason

Didn't hear Rush, but it would be population of the Earth. Course nobody said anything about moving around much.

Meanwhile I read this vision of the future in the first part and I have one simple question. Where is my flying car? Ever since fifth grade, I was promised a flying car by 2000. Where's my damn flying car!?


9 posted on 03/14/2006 12:59:08 PM PST by barkeep
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To: Age of Reason

Gee--I thought Rush said we could fit the whole population of the USA (or was it the whole population of planet Earth) in Texas, no problem?



Don't know what Rush said but if you assume a USA population of 300,000,000 then you put them in Texas and each could have a little over 1/2 acre each. Now some of those 1/2 acre plots wouldn't be very habitable.


10 posted on 03/14/2006 2:33:15 PM PST by deport
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To: barkeep
Where is my flying car? Ever since fifth grade, I was promised a flying car by 2000. Where's my damn flying car!?

Bensen made them back in the 1950's:

"A part of Bensen's Gyro-Glider series, the B-8M was first flown on July 8, 1957, and was powered by a 72hp McCulloch piston engine. It was available as a factory built machine or in a kit form for amateur construction. Once the rotor blades were locked in the fore-and-aft position, the B-8M could be driven on the road. Several Gyro-copters were demonstrated on highways, at speeds up to 35 mph."

http://www.helicoptermuseum.org/AircraftDetails.asp?helicopterID=16

11 posted on 03/14/2006 4:00:21 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason

Actually was kind of off the top on population of Earth, but assuming six billion, Texas is still roomier than I thought, affording each a comfy 200 sq. ft to wander about (or for a couple hundred million, tread water).


12 posted on 03/14/2006 8:05:34 PM PST by barkeep
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To: hedgetrimmer

Here's your support.

PUBLIC PAYROLL SOARS (wealth transfer gone from citizens to people in Govt)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103903/posts

Gov't workers are a large and well-compensated class (earn more than private sector folks)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1573615/posts


13 posted on 03/15/2006 8:23:41 PM PST by enviros_kill
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To: enviros_kill

Thanks. You didn't have to look very hard, did you?


14 posted on 03/15/2006 8:26:54 PM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Nope-in my 17,000 URL bookmark manager that goes wherever I go on a flash drive.


15 posted on 03/15/2006 9:33:55 PM PST by enviros_kill
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To: barkeep
Where is my flying car? Ever since fifth grade, I was promised a flying car by 2000. Where's my damn flying car!?


Here ya go.
Now if we could get the feds to keep their claws out of it.
16 posted on 03/15/2006 9:42:25 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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