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Not a Completely Peaceful Protest (Swastikas at Tampa anti-war protest)
Bay News 9 ^ | March 19, 2005 | Bay News 9

Posted on 03/19/2006 9:16:20 PM PST by PPHSFL

Hundreds of people filled Tampa's courthouse square Sunday to mark the third anniversary of the start of the war in Iraq, as thousands did the same throughout the country.

"After three years, it's a failure," said protestor Mabili Ajani. "It's a clear and utter failure."

That belief was shared by many of the anti-war protesters, and some sounded off about how to get out of Iraq.

"We're going to have to clean the mess up," said Michael White. "Somebody's going to have to. We need to get our children out of harm's way. Strategic withdrawal is where it's at."

The message to bring the troops home resonated with Major Raymond Simmons, who retired to the Bay area after being wounded in Iraq. He sported his uniform at the rally and became part of what was supposed to be a peaceful anti-war movement.

One of the flags a protester waved was branded with a swastika, a sight that angered Simmons, who argued for 15 minutes with the waver of the controversial flag about what type of protest was appropriate to mark the occasion.

"Our president made a lot of goofball mistakes, but Americans are not Nazis," said Simmons.

Simmons and his adversary eventually agreed to disagree. Simmons displayed his own flag to honor the troops and said the the reference to Hitler degrades the men and women who are fighting overseas.

"They do not represent the peace movement," said Simmons. "We're trying to bring the guys home with respect and dignity. This is not what they're trying to do."

This weekend, President George Bush asked Americans to be patient as political leaders in Iraq create a unity government. He said he's encouraged by the progress and that victory in Iraq will lay the foundation for generations to come.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Florida; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: agitprop; antiamericanism; antisemites; bushbashing; hitlerinsult; iraqwar; leftists; liberals; lovedclintonswars; majorraymondsimmons; majorsimmons; mediabias; moonbats; notapeacemovement; propaganda; raymondsimmons; saddamites; tampa; usefulidiot
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If the anti-war movement is to ever to win over the American people, they will have to stop the comparisions of America with the Nazis, 9/11 conspiracies, and other madness. Since most of them are truly insane, I doubt this will happen.

If this has already been posted, please remove. I checked and couldn't find it posted.

1 posted on 03/19/2006 9:16:23 PM PST by PPHSFL
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The anti war moonbats are not only insane, they are wrong!!

These are the same people who demonstrated against WWII, just different faces. They were wrong then. They are wrong now.

GOD BLESS "W' AND OUR TROOPS!!
2 posted on 03/19/2006 9:26:27 PM PST by Pragmatic Warrior (Grow your own dope. Plant a liberal!!)
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To: PPHSFL
I look at about 25, to 30 news papers across the country most Sundays (AJR Internet site) .
EVERY DA#N ONE OF THEM HAD A STORY ABOUT A WOUNDED SOLDIER
It nice that these heroes are being noticed, but, the media is using their troubles to advance its agenda. Did see a single story on what these guys and gals accomplished. Hope Rush jumps on this tomorrow
3 posted on 03/19/2006 9:27:27 PM PST by bybybill (If the Rats win, we lose)
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To: PPHSFL
The anti war moonbats are not only insane, they are wrong!!

These are the same people who demonstrated against WWII, just different faces. They were wrong then. They are wrong now.

GOD BLESS "W' AND OUR TROOPS!!
4 posted on 03/19/2006 9:28:23 PM PST by Pragmatic Warrior (Grow your own dope. Plant a liberal!!)
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To: PPHSFL
Wonder what next Monday's TAKE THE WHITE HOUSE BY STORM protest will bring? Hope someone posts a FR thread on all the goings-on next week!! he he hope there are lots of arrests and even a missile launched from WH rooftop!
5 posted on 03/19/2006 9:28:30 PM PST by p23185
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To: PPHSFL

Hey Simmons:

If you lie down with dogs, you'll get up with fleas!

Though I guess you're not bright enough to realize that.


6 posted on 03/19/2006 9:28:51 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: PPHSFL
It is the "Big Lie"

They must keep telling it over and over and over and over

Dinosaur Media's last gasp is one we won't forget

TT
7 posted on 03/19/2006 9:41:48 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: p23185

Waitaminit - they postponed it AGAIN??!!?


8 posted on 03/19/2006 9:42:14 PM PST by Old Sarge (My vigor to fight has been renewed.)
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To: Pragmatic Warrior

Yes, and that wounded soldier who is now a Peacenik better figure out which side he is on. There are only two choices.


9 posted on 03/19/2006 9:43:03 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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"They do not represent the peace movement"

The Communists started the anti-US "peace" movement. You got in their boat, now sail with the Ship of Fools!"

10 posted on 03/19/2006 9:48:11 PM PST by endthematrix (None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
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The war on terror cannot be won by following the antiwar crowd. Pure defense of the homeland will eventually lead to a police state in order to 'protect us' from the individual suicide bomber.

The war on terror cannot be won by the "all Islam is evil" crowd. Aggressive bombing of a people back to the stone ages would only confirm what radical Islam has purported all along...that the western nations cannot co-exist with Islam. This would result in the creation of hundreds of millions of suicide bombers trying to find their way to our shores....and the eventual creation of a police state to 'protect us' from those suicide bombers.

The war on terror can only be won by supporting those clerics that are pro-democracy over those that espouse radical fundamentalism. That means we need a combination of military action, political action and economic action to create the premise that Islam is a religion of peace and that a prosperous life can only be achieved if you reject the fundamentalists and join the democratic clerics. This requires us to try to understand Arab culture like never before. It requires us to sacrifice lives and money to train and construct the underpinnings of a democracic state. It requires many, many years of hard work.


11 posted on 03/19/2006 9:50:28 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (Many women will support Hillary based solely on her gender -- and it will be praised by the MSM.)
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"After three years, it's a failure," said protestor Mabili Ajani.

Three? Lessee . . . 2002,2003,2004,2005,2006 -- that's five years by my count.

12 posted on 03/19/2006 9:53:06 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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Statements at the rally...


Lynn Lague, War Protester:
“When you kill masses of people you have to take responsibility for it. You can't just say oh, because America is killing masses of people that's ok… it's not ok!”

But even these veterans for peace and their supporters can't agree on how far to take it. A verbal argument broke out when some protesters showed up with a Nazi symbol on the American flag.

Lynn Lague, War Protester:
“We went into Iraq just the same way Hitler did the Jews.”

Raymond Simmons, Veteran for Peace:
“We are trying to bring the guys home in a peaceful manner a dignified manner not a distasteful manner.”


http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=27523


13 posted on 03/19/2006 9:53:29 PM PST by endthematrix (None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
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They've declared it a failure from Day One.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

14 posted on 03/19/2006 9:54:26 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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After three years, it's a failure," said protestor Mabili Ajani. "It's a clear and utter failure."

No it isn't. Why don't you say this to a free Iraqi you coward!

15 posted on 03/19/2006 9:55:58 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: endthematrix

---One of the flags a protester waved was branded with a swastika---

This is standard leftist dogma, that the "establishment" is a Nazi conspiracy. There are hard core committed Communists on the periphery of our society that are still fighting the revolution.


16 posted on 03/19/2006 9:59:36 PM PST by claudiustg (Delenda est Iran!)
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..as thousands did throughout the country.

Thousands? I guess that means three thousand.That's 60 per state. 7 per congressional district...I'm underwhelmed.

17 posted on 03/19/2006 10:04:37 PM PST by smoothsailing
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"They do not represent the peace movement," said Simmons. "We're trying to bring the guys home with respect and dignity. This is not what they're trying to do."

Sure they do. The problem is that Mr Simmond does NOT represent the leadership of the so called "peace movement." He's simply a "useful idiot" to them, to be used up, and then discarded, much like Cindy Shehan.

Mark

18 posted on 03/19/2006 10:06:12 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: bboop

I agree. Perhaps after today, he'll have a clue as to the company he was keeping, especially with jerk with the swastika on the American flag.

There are only two sides in this matter. The RIGHT side, and the WRONG side. There is no middle ground.

I am also more than a bit upset with the ex soldier. While he does have the right to his opinion, to make a statement like he did today, saying that the President has made a lot of goof ball mistakes, was beyond comprehension, and showed a lack of understanding war on his part. I find it hard to believe he was actually in the military. President Bush has always let the Commanders in the field call the shots, UNLIKE Lyndon Johnson did in Viet Nam. For this "soldier" to think he knows more than the Commanders in the field is breathtakingly shocking, delusional, and ignorant. And for a soldier to engage in "arm chair quarterbacking" is unforgivable.


19 posted on 03/19/2006 10:10:42 PM PST by Pragmatic Warrior (Grow your own dope. Plant a liberal!!)
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"After three years, it's a failure," said protestor Mabili Ajani. "It's a clear and utter failure."

This makes me so angry I want to give him the finger. But I'll let these people do it instead.

Along with millions more.

20 posted on 03/19/2006 10:14:06 PM PST by KarlInOhio (The tree of liberty is getting awfully parched.)
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