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Conventional ICBMs
The Washington Times ^ | 3-28-06 | Bill Gertz

Posted on 03/28/2006 11:18:53 AM PST by JZelle

The United States could use a force of intercontinental ballistic missiles with conventional warheads because nuclear weapons may not deter terrorists and rogue states, the general in charge of the U.S. Strategic Command says. Marine Corps Gen. James E. Cartwright told a Pentagon-sponsored missile defense conference on Monday that "it's very difficult for a nuclear weapon to be a credible deterrent against an extremist." In addition to the "tyranny of distance" that makes it hard for military forces to get to an area of the world very quickly, there is also the problem of the inadequate speed of current conventional systems. Today's bombers need an hour to travel 500 miles, and ships take longer.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: conventionalicbms; icbms; nukes
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To: thoughtomator
Better and cheaper to use tungsten rods and dropped from orbit.

Project Thor :)

41 posted on 03/28/2006 12:30:20 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Islam's true face: http://makeashorterlink.com/?J169127BC)
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To: JZelle

"it's very difficult for a nuclear weapon to be a credible deterrent against an extremist."

No it's not. Just tell the "extremist" if anything nuclear or biological goes off in the U.S., Mecca will be wiped off the face of the earth.


42 posted on 03/28/2006 12:31:49 PM PST by mikey565 (Let upstate NY secede from NY)
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To: JZelle

Some people will do anything to avoid having their budgets cut. If the Navy gets wind of this, they are going to propose reactivating the War of 1812 frigate U.S.S. Constitution and send her to the coast of Somalia because of her demonstrated ability dealing with pirates.


43 posted on 03/28/2006 12:32:04 PM PST by Airborne1986 (Well, you can do what you want to us. But we're not going to sit here while you badmouth the U.S.A.)
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To: Altair333

Well, as far as the expense, can't they write that off as target practice? I mean, after all, what's the use of having these darn things sitting in their silos or whatever year after year if we can't light up and smoke some rogue state capital once in a while? Heck, congress wastes much more money than that before breakfast. /sarcasm off. (except about congress, that is)


44 posted on 03/28/2006 1:07:02 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: King Prout

I've had a similar thought, but rather than making a really deep crater (since we don't really want lots of fall-out down wind on the oil-fields), just a sequence of air-bursts, one low enough to fuse Medina into glass, one a few thousand feet up from that, one above that. . . so the column of fire is visible as far away as Indonesia.

The same statement would be issued.


45 posted on 03/28/2006 1:31:10 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: ARCADIA

What is the difference between a Persian and an Iranian?

Are Persians muslim?


46 posted on 03/28/2006 1:34:02 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: JZelle
If this is the brightest our military commanders are, then we are in trouble. It is NOT the terrorist, it is the nation that support terrorism where we can deter.

For example, Iran supports terrorism. Stern warning by stern warning to Iran, followed by a nuke one just one of their cities, would be a deterrent. If not, nuke a second city and give them a stern warning again. Other nations would then find the way to stop the terrorists within their borders, and they themselves would stop funding terrorists groups.

I hope we have brighter lights out there than this Marine Corps Gen. James E. Cartwright. This was one of the dumbest statements I ever heard a military man say, especially since Iran funds Hezbollah and other terrorist groups, and makes IEDs that are killing our troops.
47 posted on 03/28/2006 1:40:58 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (The purpose of this forum is to fight socialism (see FR homepage), not to defend Republicans.)
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To: edcoil
Are Persians muslim?

The Persians use to respect a diversity of religious cultures - then they were invaded by the Muslims...
48 posted on 03/28/2006 1:41:21 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: JZelle
it's very difficult for a nuclear weapon to be a credible deterrent against an extremist.

At least until one actually gets used. Maybe it is time to demonstrate what one of these babies can do.

49 posted on 03/28/2006 2:55:15 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I seem to remember a slip by a friend of mine during the cold-war days of between 3 and 4 metres.


50 posted on 03/28/2006 7:42:33 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy (It's a fight to the death with Democrats.)
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To: JZelle

"Conventional ICBM's" is just another way of convincing the U.S. to surrender our nukes.

It's a lousy idea (all ICBM launches are considered nuclear, after all) on its face, and its covert purpose is treasonous.

51 posted on 03/28/2006 7:44:54 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ARCADIA

No way. An ICBM (even a MIRV) can get a warhead into the atmosphere close enough to a target to engage with intertial guidance systems using GPS.

It's an amazingly awesome and amazingly expensive idea.


52 posted on 03/28/2006 7:50:44 PM PST by krb (ad hominem arguments are for stupid people)
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To: The_Reader_David

fallout vectoring depends on the time of year. remember, Medina is on the west coast, and all the good hydrocarboniferous stuff is well east of it. in that region, prevailing winds are pretty much set in stone. iirc, they blow from east-to-west rather consistently from November through April.

I *want* that crater burned right down to the mantle if at all possible.


53 posted on 03/28/2006 8:14:27 PM PST by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: JZelle

Heck, let's go for Thor's Hammer, AKA Rods from God.


54 posted on 03/31/2006 3:37:51 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: thoughtomator

That's what I get for posting before reading the comments; see my previous just above.


55 posted on 03/31/2006 3:39:22 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: King Prout

>>actually, I'm not particularly interested in "deterrance" - I'm leaning increasingly towards KILLING the bastards in some truly flamboyant manner, as an *object lesson* to others.

It's interesting you say that. We certainly fought WWII that way. And that sort of approach, as part of the Western way of war, is one of the themes Victor Davis Hanson explores in Carnage and Culture.

I don't think I disagree, by the way. I really don't see any ability to reason with them offering itself.


56 posted on 03/31/2006 3:43:02 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: King Prout
good point - if, say, the Russians launched an ICBM, would *we* trust *them* if they told us it was conventional?

I would be hard pressed to trust the British. And I trust them more then any other group out there that could do this.

57 posted on 03/31/2006 3:43:44 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Romantics and pessimists are two sides of the same coin. Both will happily lead you over the cliff)
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To: JZelle
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58 posted on 06/23/2006 9:19:35 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Gentleman, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room - Dr. Strangelove)
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59 posted on 06/23/2006 9:21:02 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Gentleman, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room - Dr. Strangelove)
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To: All

Waste of money. Instead of developing conventional ICBM's, the United States should be using that money to upgrade our nuclear forces.


60 posted on 06/23/2006 9:22:44 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Gentleman, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room - Dr. Strangelove)
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