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To: mrs. a
I have some friends in the South who call it the "War of Northern Aggression" ... whether or not the fact the South struck first ....

I have always seen the "Civil War" as a war of states wanting to go their own way. A true civil war is one where one ideology wants to replace another running the government. Not so in the "Civil War" ... the South wanted to go its own way. So you couldn't construe that as a civil war ... or can you???
16 posted on 03/31/2006 7:09:09 PM PST by SkyDancer (""Whatever women do they must do twice as well as men to be thought half as good. Luckily, this is ")
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To: SkyDancer

I agree with Stephen A. Douglas, that if we had only waited long enough, the West would have grown populous enough to become a factor, and would have outweighed the other two sections of the country (and could have then put enough pressure on the South to eradicate the last of a non-profitable institution, slavery).

But there were probably also powers in Europe that wanted to see the USA broken up (including hints at making the West independent, under Fremont). Bismark said the greatest mistake Europe made was in letting the USA get back together. And France wanted to grab Mexico in the bargain.

So, instead of the USA getting back together peaceably after the war, we might have been divided into THREE sections--all in perpetual war with one another, and with European interventionist forces in Mexico and Canada.


17 posted on 03/31/2006 7:13:24 PM PST by CondorFlight
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To: SkyDancer
Bingo. I'm one of those who refers to the "American Revolution" and the "Civil War" only so others will know what I'm talking about. As far as I'm concerned they were both wars for Independence, or Secession, as you will (I prefer Independence); one succeeded, the other failed.

They don't lend themselves to Roman numeral sequencing (Independence War I, followed by IWII? Nope), and the current names have become accepted through use, and I won't get noisily insistent on the subject :)

But I will bring it up when an opportunity such as this one appears...

106 posted on 04/01/2006 4:19:58 AM PST by ExGeeEye (All Hail the Great Folger, creator of hot brown goodness.)
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To: SkyDancer

I agree the conflict between the federal government and the eleven states who tried leave the US was not a civil war. It was a war of secession - of rebellion - by a one part a country attempting to leave a federal union.
The leaders of the states attempting to leave the US made no attempt to resolve their differences with the federal government by political means.
And there is ample evidence that Lincoln - who was elected by a minority of the popular vote - would have been willing to accept almost any compromise that would have kept the country together.
Consequently, the responsibility for the outbreak of war falls on the leaders of the eleven states.


118 posted on 04/01/2006 7:08:35 AM PST by quadrant
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