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U.S. War on Iran: When, Not If
RIA Novosti ^ | 10/ 04/ 2006 | Pyotr Romanov

Posted on 04/11/2006 6:21:07 PM PDT by Lessismore

Moscow, -The United States and Iran seem to have firmly set on a path that leads to the hell of war. There are hopes for the best - and I myself would be happy to be erring on the pessimistic side - but the way things look here and now, hopes are increasingly overshadowed by grim reality.

Assertive statements on the American side and Gulf wargames on the Iranian side equally scream of muscle-flexing. Either side, while portraying the other as a new evil empire, is in fact perfectly aware of the danger the opponent poses to its core ideological and political values. Though neither risks thumbing its nose on third-party peacemakers, neither actually listens to whatever they say.

There are objective propositions suggesting that the Middle East is in for yet another big fight. To fit in well with a changing world, both parties are equally desperate for a qualitative leap ahead. Regrettably, both seem to think that such success comes easier through a military, rather than an intellectual or moral, breakthrough.

Why Go to War: U.S.

In Afghanistan, Washington claimed a technical victory. Though the carefully tended democracy flowerbed there seems to be overrun by medieval tribal weeds as the nation is in fact run by Shariah judges and international drug cartels, Afghanistan still looks better than Iraq where any kind of victory is still out of question. Both have done extremely bad PR for America's superpower status.

A tarnished image on the international stage would be something Washington could live with, were it not for Vietnam-style protests at home. Wisconsin has sent a loud though nonbinding message to D.C. as 61% voted for immediate pullout from Iraq in local referendums last Tuesday.

Not that there are few pretexts for a small critic-gagging victorious war, the Administration might think. Three years ago, WMD evidence, slippery as it looked and false as it proved later, had become the case for war on Iraq. With Iran, a

trigger-happy White House is likely to think a mere WMD suspicion will do. Iran's own notorious wipe-off-Israel rhetoric also helps, of course.

The last but not least, fighting the sinister gang of terrorist-sponsoring ayatollahs fits in marvelously with President George W. Bush's declared strategy to eradicate tyranny around the globe. To keep your word is important. What Iranian people think about the sinister gang of ayatollahs that runs their own country is apparently of little consequence.

Why Go to War: Iran

Iran has no fewer reasons to have a go. Neither U.S. domination nor a nuclear-free future is seen as an option for a nation asserting itself as a possible regional leader.

While a peaceful nuclear project could well become a solid engine of new Iranian modernization, Tehran's ambition runs higher: an Iranian-made nuclear bomb is seen as a key to many doors in the Middle East that are shut so far. Apart from making Iran a frontrunner for regional leadership, it could also fuel a new rise of the Shi'ite culture in the Muslim world and put the country in the lead of rising Islam globally. Or so Tehran hopes. None of its aspirations will possibly come true as long as Washington stands in the way.

What to Expect

There is little need to go through a long list of other pro-war considerations. What has been said is probably enough to realize that, whoever tries to bring peace between America and Iran, be it the United Nations, Western Europe, the International Atomic Energy Agency, or Russia, will have their pledges fall on deaf ears.

While Russia and others continue to warn against a new American war gamble - most recently, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov reiterated in Berlin that Russia did not think "positive results could come through threats and pressure" - there is little hope his voice will be heard on the Potomac. Maybe we should better brace up for the worst-case scenario, for what will begin as a noble duel could well end up as a classic bar brawl in which the watchers will get as many bruises as the fighters.

So now it is not a question of "if" any more. It is a question of "when." Rough calculation points at the end of this year.

Action will not begin later than that because plunging into war with record-low approval ratings and only one year left until the next election is clearly not what a U.S. party would ever allow its president to do. Personally, George W. Bush also hardly wants to go down in history as "a man who lost all his wars." What the Grand Old Party needs before 2008 to veil the Iraqi quagmire is an overwhelming - even if equally devastating - military success. In the case of Iran, military success will surely take time.

Action will not begin sooner because of many political as well as military factors. Not being an expert in the military domain, I would just state the obvious: any war requires preparation and a secure rear area. In this case it should mean the U.S. will be enrolling as many allies as possible - even at the price of getting numbers instead of battlefield value - in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Washington is going to need allies on the political front as well, trying not to expose itself to the kind of global chastisement it has received for invading Iraq without a UN stamp of approval. The list of possible pressure targets includes Western Europeans and of course Moscow and Beijing who have a veto power in the UN Security Council, while the list of pressure issues could begin with sanctions. With the White House clearly expecting little material effect of economic action, any sanctions whatsoever, if imposed by an international consensus, might be mistaken for a go-ahead signal.

No sooner will the U.S. dare act in contempt of international law than it becomes clear allies are not queuing in. Military action will still remain a possibility because God-witness-we-tried-hard-but-we-are-running-out-of-patience politics is something the U.S. is, sadly, not foreign to.

To try really hard, however, will again take time. Looks like we still have a few peaceful months to enjoy, then.


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1 posted on 04/11/2006 6:21:08 PM PDT by Lessismore
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To: Lessismore

keep dreaming, we are not going to do shit.


2 posted on 04/11/2006 6:25:00 PM PDT by Btrp113Cav
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To: Lessismore


The US has never acted in "contempt" of international law in its conflicts with Afgahnistan and Iraq...this piece was written by a communist with an agenda.

The can FO, we'll take down Iran because they are a credible threat to US security interests...with no credibility when it comes to peace.


3 posted on 04/11/2006 6:26:59 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: in hoc signo vinces

we are going to keep riding all diplomatic avenues, until Iran has a nuke and can blackmail Europe and the US then we will try to find some middle ground and negotiate with this terrorist leader of Iran. We won't dare attack them when they have a nuke, because a couple or even one being launched can hit European city's, american bases, or israel.


4 posted on 04/11/2006 6:28:30 PM PDT by Btrp113Cav
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To: Lessismore

To fit in well with a changing world, both parties are equally desperate for a qualitative leap ahead. Regrettably, both seem to think that such success comes easier through a military, rather than an intellectual or moral, breakthrough.


Particularly when intellectual or moral pleas fall on
deaf Mullah ears.

Our pleading days are over.


5 posted on 04/11/2006 6:31:18 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Btrp113Cav


Never say never...


6 posted on 04/11/2006 6:32:33 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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7 posted on 04/11/2006 6:33:09 PM PDT by George - the Other
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To: George - the Other

That's the right idea. If it does come to war, nuke 'em.


8 posted on 04/11/2006 6:36:06 PM PDT by Pittsburg Phil
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To: Pittsburg Phil
"That's the right idea. If it does come to war, nuke 'em."

As G. Gordon Liddy says, the way to win a war is to kill so many of the enemy and destroy so many many buildings, that they loose the will to fight.


9 posted on 04/11/2006 6:38:35 PM PDT by George - the Other
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To: George - the Other

Plus, we won't have to worry about rebuilding their country for a few thousand years.


10 posted on 04/11/2006 6:41:43 PM PDT by Yogafist
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To: George - the Other

Precisely. War IS ugly. Fight it to win, or stay home. IMHO.


11 posted on 04/11/2006 6:41:52 PM PDT by 4U2OUI (Illegal means: "You broke the law and deserve to be punished!!!")
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To: Pittsburg Phil
That's the right idea. If it does come to war, nuke 'em.

Yawn. People around here have been saying this for years. We don't even have the guts to enforce our own immigration laws; much less press the red button.

12 posted on 04/11/2006 6:51:16 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Btrp113Cav

If Bush listened to Pat Buchanan, we wouldn't.


13 posted on 04/11/2006 6:54:10 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Lessismore
...the U.S. will be enrolling as many allies as possible...

Not, evidently, including our author here. And that's the real problem with this thing - a united international front might very well convince Iran that the juice was not worth the squeeze but we will always have it denied us as long as international "thinkers" such as our author pretend that their own country may make whatever mischief it desires and get off scot-free. This should not be an Iran-versus-U.S. issue. It is in everyone in the region's interest not to allow an Islamic Hitler to set the place aflame.

It isn't a choice between good alternatives and evil ones, it's a choice between evil and more evil. The pretense that the good alternative, negotiation to a peaceful settlement, still exists is the product of a childlike faith that has no real place in international relations.

But let's suppose for a moment that the U.S. is prevailed upon to sigh and say, "OK, we choose peace." Anyone who thinks that the Iranian government will respond with "Great, we choose peace too. We'll stop building nuclear weapons immediately" is so naive that even the Iranians would have to shake their heads in disbelief. They have announced their intentions. Does Europe not believe them?

14 posted on 04/11/2006 6:55:30 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Lessismore

War with Iran will have to wait until the next Republican President after the failed presidency of HRC.


15 posted on 04/11/2006 7:04:22 PM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: Btrp113Cav

Yep. Looks more and more as though Bush has decided to punt the whole issue as we have done for the past 27 years to the next admin.


16 posted on 04/11/2006 7:04:32 PM PDT by pierrem15
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To: Lessismore
I think Desert Shield and Kosovo showed how powerful a full Aeriel bombardment can be. I say we just bomb Iran til they give up. They only have so many buildings.
17 posted on 04/11/2006 7:07:34 PM PDT by RHINO369
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To: Lessismore
I don't trust info. coming out of Russia but the best scenario would be for someone to bomb their nuclear facilities and hope that sets them back long enough for the old mullahs to die off and the young pro-western Iranians to take charge.
18 posted on 04/11/2006 7:12:35 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (El Chupacabra spotted near U.S./Mexican border feeding on illegal immigrants. Pass it on..)
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To: Yogafist
That is why we need those nifty nuke bunker-busters the military wants but congress does not. Perfect for Iran. All those fancy underground facilities could be reduced to rubble in minutes, with a bomb we could easily build, but do not have. And they would not render the whole country, only small areas uninhabitable.
19 posted on 04/11/2006 7:15:42 PM PDT by gafusa
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To: Lessismore
At least three Iranian leaders have said that they hope, hope for nuclear war. This is what we are up against.

Iran is a tougher nut to crack than was Iraq, though.

If we take down 60 or 80 nuclear installations, we find ourselves at war with them, for the long term. We had better have a plan beyond a brief bombing campaign, one that brings about the end of the mullahcracy.

This can be done, actually, but it will take a concerted effort.

Iran says they will stop shipping oil, and that is true, of course, because we will have it bottled up inside the Persian Gulf. Our oil will go to market and theirs will not. They say they have oil enough to survive for 6 months, but I cry "baloney". They may have oil, but they will have no cash if they can't ship oil. They will be bankrupt in a month.

But bankrupt alone isn't enough to bring down the mullahs. And they are almost certain to send waves of military aged men in civilian clothes across the line into Iraq to attack us there. We will find ourselves up against Iranian military posing as Iraqi militia. We need to be able to withstand an all out assault on our forces in Iraq, and we need to launch a counter that undermines the mullahs' authority within their own country. Its not enough to kill Iranians, we have to bring down the government and guide its replacement.

20 posted on 04/11/2006 7:15:46 PM PDT by marron
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