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Russia, US slipping into familiar 'chill'? (Call it cold war II, the sequel)
Christian Science Monitor via Yahoo! News ^ | 2006 Apr 17 | Fred Weir

Posted on 04/17/2006 9:08:56 AM PDT by Wiz

MOSCOW - Call it cold war II, the sequel.

An intensifying shouting match between the US and Russia has stirred fears that the two former adversaries could be drifting back to a familiar ideologically charged rivalry.

Most experts play down the new mood as a worrisome "chill," and some suggest that a change in leadership - slated for 2008 in both countries - might reverse the slide in mutual ties. But many Russians, who have watched as Western influence has thrust decisively into the former Soviet heartland since the USSR's 1991 demise, see it in darker, more visceral tones.

The US is bent on spreading its power by "buying leaders and organizing state coups" throughout the former USSR, says Yevgeny Ivanov, chief ideologist for the pro-Kremlin group Nashi, Russia's biggest political youth movement. He's referring to the recent wave of pro-democracy "colored revolutions" that wrenched Georgia, Ukraine, and Kyrgyzstan from Moscow's orbit. "Their type of globalization is aimed at having the right to decide the world's destiny," he says.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; coldwarbyproxy; coldwarii; coldwarreloaded; evilempire; kgbputin; putin; russia; sovietunion; ussr
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Look closely, and you will see the Nashi, the government funded Neo-Nazi like Pro-Kremlin Pro-Putin group appears in the article.
1 posted on 04/17/2006 9:09:01 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: anonymoussierra; Grzegorz 246; lizol; Lukasz

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2 posted on 04/17/2006 9:09:41 AM PDT by Wiz
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Russia is running the "necessary enemy" game plan to avert its citizens from internal reform.

The Chavez's of the world are encouraging this.

Time for the US to declare all out War on all the Nation's Tyrants, and get it over with.


3 posted on 04/17/2006 9:13:39 AM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: GarySpFc; Romanov; jb6; Hill of Tara; RusIvan

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4 posted on 04/17/2006 9:13:48 AM PDT by x5452
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To: Wiz

"Nashi" is the plural of "our". This kind of crap they could keep, and it's nice that it's theirs. I would even think of sending there [as a gift, although it would be nice to charge POD] - some of our, too.


5 posted on 04/17/2006 9:14:50 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: Wiz

Russia hasnt changed a lick , they are still as paranoid as ever. The cold war never ended they just needed a breather.


6 posted on 04/17/2006 9:15:15 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Wiz

Is'nt all this sort of inevitable?

What with the Kremlin being run by mobsters and betraying our friendship right and left all this long while?

Frankly, what new horror is awaiting full disclosure that this recent "breaking news" is foreshadowing?

Is Russia about to declare alliance, militarily, with IRAN? Or is it Russia, China and our "allies" in Europe?


7 posted on 04/17/2006 9:16:24 AM PDT by CBart95
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To: Wiz

Look at russias allies. Yep they suck as does russia. Without petrol and selling garbarge weapons to the worst governments on earth they would have well...nothing. The way I describe the russian governments behavior is"Drunk slavs that will sell their own mom for a buck, while daydreaming of the superpower days and doing anything they can to make life more difficult for the US". That strategy will only get them so far and they will have to pay the piper soon enough. It should be fun to watch.


8 posted on 04/17/2006 9:17:36 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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Nashi = Hitler's Youth

Nashi were marching on the streets of Moscow with neo-nazi signs of "Russia for Russians" "Moscow for Moscovities" etc..

Putin is busy sending HAMAS $$$ & AK47s..


9 posted on 04/17/2006 9:29:20 AM PDT by b2stealth
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To: b2stealth

The US and UK especially know what they are doing. We still have spys all over russia. The have an alliance with Iran and China and we are at the crisis with Iran today because of russian/chinese designs to buffer US/EU power from the oil rich middle east. Russia intends to make the EU slaves to its petrol in the future.They are trying the old divide and conqure tactic. We know exactly what is going on and if it means Cold War 2 then so be it. We want peace but wont be bullied by anyone.


10 posted on 04/17/2006 9:33:19 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Wiz

Who here actually believes that Putin will leave office in 2008? Errrr...not me!

"I looked deep into the eyes of Putin and I saw...Hitler!"


11 posted on 04/17/2006 9:37:59 AM PDT by SelectiveJNJ
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To: MARKUSPRIME

Putin is playing not an all out cold "war" but more of a cold "war of thousand cuts".


12 posted on 04/17/2006 9:38:08 AM PDT by b2stealth
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To: b2stealth

Yeah they are trying to bleed the US. Which is why we are playing the diplomatic card making russia look stupid for helping the jihadist in Iran with nuclear tech. Getting slapped in the face by Iran with the enrichment propasal in russia was also a plus.What the US should do is just focus on where we are commited and tell the "parties" involved that if a nuclear attack is launched on US forces in the region or Israel we will respond with overwhelming counter strikes to all the "parties" involved.We all know who the "parties" are in this little game.Russia will either be dhimmis to islam in the future or lackeys of the Chinese. They have chosen their anti-democratic/anti-western path and we should let them wallow in it.


13 posted on 04/17/2006 9:57:39 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Wiz
We have to take some blame for this.

After the Soviets surrendered, we sent Jeffrey Sachs and an army of Harvard Business School graduates to occupy Russia with the intent of teaching them capitalism. The Harvard Business School crew ended up finishing the job that Lenin had started. Russia went from communism straight to a mobbed-up version of crony capitalism without bothering to stop at the plain old capitalism that makes nations successful.

Back in 1973, humorist Art Buchwald looked at the role of Harvard Business School graduates in getting the Arabs to embargo oil. He suggested facetiously that the government shut down the Harvard Business School as a threat to national security.

He was right.

14 posted on 04/17/2006 11:06:49 AM PDT by Publius
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Russia will either be dhimmis to islam in the future or lackeys of the Chinese. ==

I very doubt it.

They have chosen their anti-democratic/anti-western path and we should let them wallow in it.==

As far as I learned here on FR. Unted States are not democracy but republic. SO why you blame Russia for nondemocratic if USA is not either? Russia is republic too.

Pro-westren path is to b ein wake of west countries. Russia cann't be that way. Look Ukraine for this. They gladly will follow someone wake. Russia is too independent for that.


15 posted on 04/17/2006 12:02:08 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: Wiz

Look closely, and you will see the Nashi, the government funded Neo-Nazi like Pro-Kremlin Pro-Putin group appears in the article.==

"Nashi" (stands for "Ours") ar enot nationalistic but merely patriotic movement. If they Pro-Kremlin that is because Putin goverment is frist for 100 yeras russian patriotic goverment.

If you do not know facts then should go learn them.


16 posted on 04/17/2006 12:04:16 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
Russia is [a] republic too.

With governors appointed by the Kremlin.

17 posted on 04/17/2006 12:06:11 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: in hoc signo vinces
This is a case that we should keep our nose out of their business. By the way, the nice after affect of all those revolutions is an encirclement of Russia. This time it isn't Russian paranoia. I have a question how many Virgina farm boys were involved in those Democratic revolutions? Allot of black money was used during the Cold War as now to influence governments into a pro-western leaning. I willing also to bet if I walked any where in those countries I would see American guys in crew-cut hair cuts who would be labeled "Advisers" walking around.

I really want a democratic, prosperous world but no one elected America to rule or lead the world. We have self imposed this mission to democratize the world. Maybe democracy just can't root in some cultures. Maybe the Russian and the Arab just can't understand the underlining concepts, of pluralism, free markets, one man one vote, and country of laws not of men.
18 posted on 04/17/2006 12:07:16 PM PDT by Kuehn12 (Kuehn12)
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To: MARKUSPRIME

Yeah they are trying to bleed the US. ==

If someone whant to bleed out US then US govement in first place. It was US goverment who waged so expensive and not very succesfull war in Middel east which cost very dearly to US tax payers. You need to look in right direction if seek those who tried rightfully to bleed US. Mybe neocon blunders?

Russia is guilty in thing that she refrain to participate in such blunder. But Russia participted in Afgan war in 2002 on side of USA. And someone told here that she paticipation was helpful. Or you already forgot?


19 posted on 04/17/2006 12:08:24 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: 1rudeboy

With governors appointed by the Kremlin.==

In Ukraine they are appointed by thier president too. Don't you blame Ukraine for that?

Accually the russian president appoints the candidates which was promoted by local dumas not ones by his election.


20 posted on 04/17/2006 12:10:35 PM PDT by RusIvan
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