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To: SandRat

Does "winning the hearts and minds" really work? Honest question.


2 posted on 04/18/2006 6:03:03 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: johniegrad

Sometimes.


4 posted on 04/18/2006 6:03:59 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: johniegrad

In the long run, yes.


6 posted on 04/18/2006 6:11:57 PM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con, American Male (NRA))
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To: johniegrad

Slowly, it does work. And it makes a profound and fundamental change in the whole environment. But it does take time.


7 posted on 04/18/2006 6:16:11 PM PDT by Khurkris (Don't blame me. I was out the entire day.)
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To: johniegrad; SandRat
"...Does "winning the hearts and minds" really work? Honest question..."

It's a question that has an unyielding caveat to it. If the program goes on below the radar, and the MSM doesn't tumble to it, then it will of course have a good chance of working. In this case, I suspect that the MSM is too busy declaring defeat in Iraq to have devoted much poison to this 'well'.

The MSM knows that it is all a question of recruiting. If they suddenly started a campaign printing that "everyone in the region knows" that accepting help from the Americans is treachery to the national pride, and that only puppets help the imperialists, then eventually, under the propaganda bombardment, all of the good done by our help would sour.

The enemies of the U.S., as well as the Democratic party, (redundancy, I know), realize that the only way to keep recruits coming is to subvert and nullify anything that they perceive is an effective gain in our war on terror.

It is a matter of momentum. The liberals sense that the declaration of defeat in Iraq is enough to swing power their way. Their interests coincide with that of terrorists right now, and they figure that they can "get away with" the covert support by finessing that "it isn't really support for terrorism, since we obviously support our troops". It's simply that they must oppose everything that those troops have fought and died for, in order to make the world safe for re-distribution.

9 posted on 04/18/2006 6:29:57 PM PDT by pickrell (Old dog, new trick...sort of)
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To: johniegrad

Nope.

Never did, never will.

When the body count hits about 1/3 of the gross population, they start to see things a different way. I don't know why the body count has to be that high. It's just what history teaches. That's all.


19 posted on 04/18/2006 7:48:23 PM PDT by grayforkbeard
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To: johniegrad
Does "winning the hearts and minds" really work? Honest question.

I'd prefer we used the Roman approach "Let them hate so long as they fear"

It's a lot less work and is more effective.

24 posted on 04/18/2006 8:18:41 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Every man must be tempted, sometimes,to hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.)
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To: johniegrad
Does "winning the hearts and minds" really work? Honest question.

It should be called the "ATLAS" project because we are attempting to carry the whole world on our backs.

27 posted on 04/18/2006 9:20:06 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We must act today in order to preserve tomorrow......R.R)
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Ask most Vets and the Vietnamese. Especially ask the VC. They are notorious for punishing "collaborators". One kid got his arm chopped off because he received a vaccination from the "imperialist pigs."

"Oh no, can't have ANY of them have good opinions for the invaders. They are all evil and if you don't agree with our Commissars then you are evil and traitorous and stupid and greedy and evil and American and...did we mention evil?

Now go to the reeducation camps where you will have your fingers pulled out while we blather on about the glories of the Vietnamese People's Republic."

We didn't lose Nam because of hearts and minds. We lost because of treason and stupidity. Funny. Those who claim to be the people's greatest advocates end up killing more than their alleged enemies.
28 posted on 04/18/2006 9:21:56 PM PDT by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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