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1 posted on 05/13/2006 10:44:01 AM PDT by blam
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Wow! They found DNA from a Michigan rock band? They must have been on tour, or something.


2 posted on 05/13/2006 10:48:42 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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Romani (Gypsy) History

My mother always told us that Gypsies steal babies. Maybe the Anglo-Saxons stole one back, huh?

3 posted on 05/13/2006 10:48:49 AM PDT by blam
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Sailors?


4 posted on 05/13/2006 10:50:22 AM PDT by marron
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Romani = Gypsy

But calling it Gypsy DNA is not PC.


5 posted on 05/13/2006 10:50:31 AM PDT by San Franistan
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Romani = Gypsy

But calling it Gypsy DNA is not PC.


6 posted on 05/13/2006 10:51:04 AM PDT by San Franistan
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7 posted on 05/13/2006 10:52:58 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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I presume that by Romani is meant the people also known as gypsies. As they were nomadic traders, tinkers and horsemen I don't think that finding the gene there is so surprising. Since it is mitochondrial DNA, then it means a woman is involved, so family travel makes sense.

Some time ago I read that the Romans used troops along Hadrians Wall from far in the East, Sythians or Sogdians I think it might have been.


8 posted on 05/13/2006 10:53:42 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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Has Mike Nifong charged anyone yet?


9 posted on 05/13/2006 11:01:49 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Here to Help)
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The Byzantine Empire hired English warriors as mercenaries during that period. They also hired others like Russians, leading eventually to the Orthodox religion taking root in Russia.


11 posted on 05/13/2006 11:19:37 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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EXPERTS FIND RARE ROMANI DNA IN NORWICH ANGLO SAXON SKELETON

What? they finally linked a white guy to the Duke "rape" case?

13 posted on 05/13/2006 11:26:27 AM PDT by tophat9000 (If it was illegal French Canadians would La Raza back them? Racist back there race over country)
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The DNA was found in an 11th century young adult male skeleton, and with the first recorded arrival of the Romani gene in this country put at 500 years later, historians may need to re-think the ethnic mix of the city's early population.

People got around early on more than most people think. OTOH, one skeleton does not a population make.

14 posted on 05/13/2006 11:41:09 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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Maybe the gene's found in other populations besides Romani. They've only been testing DNA for a couple of decades.

What are the odds that a mutation would only occur once?


17 posted on 05/13/2006 11:59:17 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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There is no such thing as "Romani" - they're talking about gypsies. They have nothing to do with Rome, and it's a deliberate misassociation with "Romania". Repeat: Gypsies.


20 posted on 05/13/2006 12:43:14 PM PDT by billybudd
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"Ancient warrior classes of India" my foot.


22 posted on 05/13/2006 12:54:43 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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White men once again dig up graves in a known Church graveyard. Typical. Of course it's in the name of science, do that makes it okay.


23 posted on 05/13/2006 1:01:23 PM PDT by fish hawk
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Where's the weaselly guy from the Smithsonian saying that this makes him "nervous" and that it is "heretical"?
24 posted on 05/13/2006 1:18:48 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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Fascinating, thanks for posting it! :)

Interesting Romani-related link...

Origins and Divergence of the Roma (Gypsies)

26 posted on 05/13/2006 1:25:24 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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“The bones were of a late Saxon Christian. We know this because it was found in a graveyard associated with the church.”

An early instance of being left on the door step by Gypsies.

27 posted on 05/13/2006 2:11:24 PM PDT by Oratam
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Apparently, Zott is the name arabs gave to the Gypsies...


How kizmitt is that... how fitting... how cosmically unifying.

Annoying travelers of mischief are known as Zott... through out history.
29 posted on 05/13/2006 2:21:49 PM PDT by Porterville (I gave at the State Franchise Board; leave me alone you blood sucking liberal.)
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Here's one other plausible explanation.

This man may be a descendant of Vikings. The Vikings penetrated far into Russia and Eastern Europe during the Dark Ages, as far as the Black Sea and Persia. One of them may have courted (or more probably, kidnapped) a fetching gypsy girl and brought her back to Denmark as his wife (or more likely, his servant and concubine). All of their offspring would have had the Romani mitochondrial DNA, and all of their female descendants would have passed it on, perhaps for centuries.

So perhaps this man was born of a Saxon father, and a woman of mixed Saxon and Danish blood who had a Gypsy great-great-grandmother. The Danes invaded much of the eastern part of England, including Norwich, in the 8th through 10th centuries. They might well have brought along some gypsy blood acquired in the 6th or 7th centuries.

-ccm

31 posted on 05/13/2006 3:19:40 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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