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Hastert tells President Bush FBI raid was unconstitutional
The Hill ^ | 5/24/06 | Patrick O'Connor

Posted on 05/23/2006 5:57:29 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: Probus

Should rename the place the Congressional SAFE House Building


361 posted on 05/24/2006 11:28:18 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hey, why not just give all the Congress Critters diplomatic immunity?


362 posted on 05/24/2006 11:29:39 AM PDT by Antoninus (Ginty for US Senate in NJ -- Primary day is June 6)
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To: xrp

Hastert's probably afraid he's next, so he can't use the freezer idea...


363 posted on 05/24/2006 11:44:31 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: petitfour

Like I said in the post, and it is not going to happen. Americans have become too weak-willed. The willing are far outnumbered by those unwilling.


364 posted on 05/24/2006 12:11:49 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (You better prepare, the war is coming to the USA VERY SOON!)
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To: RetiredArmy

Where does it say it unconstitutional to do this in the constitution?


365 posted on 05/24/2006 1:06:39 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: billbears
Nope, sorry. Just because he is in a position of leadership does not make him 'responsible' to all the citizens of the respective states

I did not say "responsible", but rather "responsive". Being responsive means being at least minimally accessible. We all know he doesn't read the emails anyway. Why not let the staff he has as Speaker, summarize the out of district inputs just as his personal staff as a House member do for the in district stuff.

To my way of thinking that sort of thing comes with job as Speaker.

366 posted on 05/24/2006 1:12:30 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Copperhead

Didn't you mean to reply to post#44?


367 posted on 05/24/2006 2:01:21 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: NormsRevenge
First Patrick Kennedy, now Jefferson. Both hide behind the speech and debate rule.

Those elitists breathe rarified air and are above the law. If you don't believe it, "SCREW YOU!" they say.

368 posted on 05/24/2006 3:09:31 PM PDT by Humidston (Congress is like the Mafia - NO PAY, NO PLAY.)
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To: NormsRevenge

"Justice Department officials said the decision to search Jefferson’s office was made in part because he refused to comply with a subpoena for documents last summer. Jefferson reported the subpoena to the House on Sept. 15, 2005."

This is why they did what they did.


369 posted on 05/24/2006 3:32:31 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: tobyhill

Deny, Delay, Stall & Divert

Those are long-time Rat tactics and not the name of a high-powered DC law firm. ;-)


370 posted on 05/24/2006 3:38:07 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - "The Road to Peace in the Middle East runs thru Damascus.")
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To: Prodn2000

yeah I withdrew that statement after I was educated. Sorry.


371 posted on 05/24/2006 4:09:38 PM PDT by tongue-tied
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To: Probus

I've seen this kind of remark only, what, a zillion times now. Congress wants Congress to be in charge of policing Congressional offices.


372 posted on 05/24/2006 11:22:22 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: KoRn

lol


373 posted on 05/25/2006 1:23:52 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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To: for-q-clinton

This may be of interest to you:
http://www.clubforgrowth.org/why.php


374 posted on 05/25/2006 1:27:21 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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To: Sir Gawain


Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.
Mark Twain

It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly American criminal class except Congress.
Mark Twain

To compare Congress to drunken sailors is an insult to drunken sailors.
Ronald Reagan


375 posted on 05/25/2006 1:31:23 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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To: Sonny M

The issue is not about corruption. It is about the Constitution and the separation of powers doctrine. Newt Gingrich slammed the Justice Department for an egregious violation of this doctrine: http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0506/052206cdpm1.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/22/AR2006052201080_pf.html

The actions by the FBI and Justice Department is unprecedented in the 219-year history of the U.S. government. It was exactly this kind of abuse of the colonial legislatures by King George's stooges that partly led to a revolution in 1776.

Between the three branches of government, there is a long established procedure for obtaining documents in a criminal probe: the subpeona. Has anyone ever heard of Congress sending its police agents to the White House or Supreme Court with a warrant to conduct a search? When the Executive Branch sends its police into the House of Representatives with a warrant to conduct a search by its police agents, the long-term repercussions could be detrimental to the Republic.


376 posted on 05/25/2006 11:12:42 AM PDT by Baron Holbach
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To: Baron Holbach
Between the three branches of government, there is a long established procedure for obtaining documents in a criminal probe: the subpeona.

They got a warrant, they didn't need a subpeona. If a judge had an issue with this, he would have denied it. Congress is not above the law, nor is it somehow immune to the same process or procedures as everyone else, as much as that may bother them.

Has anyone ever heard of Congress sending its police agents to the White House or Supreme Court with a warrant to conduct a search?

It has never been done, but over the years, the topic has come up numerious times, from Nixon to Clinton and on.

When the Executive Branch sends its police into the House of Representatives with a warrant to conduct a search by its police agents, the long-term repercussions could be detrimental to the Republic.

It could also be quite beneficial to the Republic, if congress remembers, its place of business, is no more immune to search and warrants when it breaks the law, then my office and me.

If I break the law and hide evidence at my office, the cops can get a warrant and search for it, and they can do exact same thing to a member of congress.

There was also no violation of the debate clause....unless you want to reinterpret it to mean something else.

377 posted on 05/25/2006 4:28:16 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Baron Holbach
I am sorry, it turns out that there was a subpena for evidence, and the congressman fought it and refused to let cooperate, but the warrant was a last restort.

I thought they went with the warrant first, apparently they went with it last.

378 posted on 05/26/2006 12:15:55 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sonny M

Thank you for pointing out that Jefferson refused to comply with a previously submitted subpoena. Nevertheless, the historic procedure is to route the subpoena through the Clerk of the House/Sergeant at Arms and a vote by the House whether to honor the subpoena. Was the subpoena routed directly to Jefferson or his lawyer? In any case, the FBI raid is now precedent. If the case goes to SCOTUS, it would be interesting to see how the court rules. A thread with some informative posts:

http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=3929


379 posted on 05/26/2006 5:51:10 AM PDT by Baron Holbach
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To: NormsRevenge

Potomac Fever: most virulent infectious disease in history.


380 posted on 05/26/2006 5:55:23 AM PDT by relictele
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