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The devaluing of human life (Nat Hentoff!)
The Washington Times ^ | June 12, 2006 | Nat Hentoff

Posted on 06/12/2006 5:05:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

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To: 9999lakes

You are 100% right. My brother worked at the Voice for years, Nat's a good guy and spot on re: pro-life.

You should hear Andrew Wilkow of WABC/WGY in NY, amazing breaking down every aspect of pro-life.


41 posted on 06/12/2006 7:38:17 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("I see dead people...and illegal immigrants...voting in the next election")
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To: GovernmentShrinker

You don't know what you're talking about on this one... trust me.


42 posted on 06/12/2006 7:39:39 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("I see dead people...and illegal immigrants...voting in the next election")
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To: MHGinTN

He made sense then, but it is apparent from his marriage to the evil of abortion on demand that he was only speeching not preaching. For his immortal soul I can pray, but for his extortionist ass I can wish catastrophe. Jesse is no man of God, especially with this 180 treachery to black people on the issue of abortion.

No truer words were ever said.


43 posted on 06/12/2006 7:40:49 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("I see dead people...and illegal immigrants...voting in the next election")
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Are you in the NY area? Come with me tomorrow night and ask him.


44 posted on 06/12/2006 7:44:37 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("I see dead people...and illegal immigrants...voting in the next election")
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To: MHGinTN

No, it's not my book... invitation was emailed to me.

Obviously, I can link you to the book:
http://www.defiantbirth.com/

Try the google page:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=RNWE,RNWE:2005-01,RNWE:en&q=Defiant+Birth%3A+Women+Who+Resist+Medical+Eugenics


45 posted on 06/12/2006 7:49:23 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("I see dead people...and illegal immigrants...voting in the next election")
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To: Nevadan; MHGinTN

Ah, I see. Seems quite unlikely, though, that a father would have related this story to Nat Hentoff (and presumably also given Hentoff permission to relate it to the world at large in an article, since Hentoff still describes the man as "a fried of mine"), unless the father wanted to advance Hentoff's agenda, and thus was utterly opposed to his own wife's activities. But the scenario of two parents who disagree that seriously on a major issue, and discuss it at the dinner table, while their son has still not heard a peep about said issue at the age of 9, is also pretty hard to swallow. I mean how do you think this man's wife would have reacted to seeing their private family conversation sprawled across the pages of a major newspaper, with their innocent young son's part in it being exploited to oppose her position on this contentious issue in which she has a personal stake? Imagine if your spouse was pro-choice, and your 9 year old had expressed agreement with that position at the family dinner table, and your spouse had shared the child's words with a major columnist known to write pro-choice opinion pieces, and given said columnist permission to relate the child's words in a national publication.


46 posted on 06/12/2006 7:53:43 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Hentoff didn't mention the family's name. Privacy secure. Parents don't necessarily disagree seriously - father could be somewhat more troubled than the mother. I wonder how abortionists do explain their work to their children - "I dismember embryos and fetuses for a living?" Or, "I help women facing unwanted pregnancies."

Mrs VS


47 posted on 06/12/2006 8:02:00 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: AliVeritas

I entertained notions of doing a similar book a few years ago. I was collecting stories from women and have posted one or two here at FR (Perhaps you've seen The Danae Blessing Story, The Smell Of Rain), but I didn't put it all together for publication in the way that Melinda has.


48 posted on 06/12/2006 8:02:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Children also have a way of asking questions they sense are off limits unless a guest is at the table. Hint hint ...


49 posted on 06/12/2006 8:03:41 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: jwalsh07
However, let's discuss Hentoff's thesis which is that abortion, like slavery, devalues human life.
Hentoff, or Jackson, are not the first to make this connection. It's practically trite by now. That said, it's true. Defense of slavery ultimately depends upon dehumanizing the slave. There is no defense for it.
50 posted on 06/12/2006 8:05:11 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Did you ever see the movie Vera Drake? It was about a British cleaning woman who performed abortions on the side in 1950. The police finally came to arrest her, and then her husband and grown children found out what she had been doing. Her son was very upset about it and told his mother that it was killing little babies and it was wrong. Now that abortion is legal I wonder how many young people age 33 and younger came within an inch of their life of being aborted before mother changed her mind?

In my own family my liberal sister told my conservative sister that she was pregnant and going to have an abortion. The prolife sister told her that #1 we don't murder babies in our family and #2 if she did such a hideous thing we would never speak to her again. That jolted her into reality, she changed her mind, and now she has a precious little boy that everyone loves, inluding her.
51 posted on 06/12/2006 9:42:42 PM PDT by wontbackdown
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To: jwalsh07

That was Jesse Jacksons thesis....Now,Jesse thinks killing blacks is a good thing...Many formerly pro-lifers have turned pro choice...AND its all about power or money..With Jesse,it was both!!!!!


52 posted on 06/12/2006 9:52:52 PM PDT by fishbabe
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To: All
From my files:

"Bringing Good Thing to Life":

Here is the Stealth Bomber flying under the Pro-Choice side's radar:

Bringing Good Things to Life (ULTRASOUND)
Bringing Good Things to Life (ULTRASOUND) · Citizen magazine ^ | June 2003 | Abortion Quotes

Watch GE 3D-4D new Ultrasound Commercial

Fetuses Can Hear Ultrasound Examinations

New Ultrasound Shows 3-D 'Fetal Portrait

Technology forces us to see that abortions end lives

10 FALLACIES IN THE ABORTION DEBATE

12 WEEK OLD BABY WALKS IN THE WOMB!

"Studies show that if women can actually see the baby through an ultrasound, they are more likely to carry them to term," she said.

The Womb as Photo Studio States May Ban Abortion If Roe Overturned

Unborn baby introduces comparison of candidates for President

Partial Birth Abortion Ban Court Transcripts

Foetuses [Fetuses] 'may be conscious long before abortion limit'

ultrasound Technology gives unborn fetus a 3-D image

Crisis Pregnancy Centers Find Success in Medical Model

The most powerful smiles in the world


"Mommy, what's An Abortion?":

A few weeks after I joined Free Republic, I chanced upon a discussion about abortion that, for some reason, had turned into an exchange involving mostly female members of the board.

I was struck by several salient points:

1- "Mommy, what's an 'abortion?'"
I can recall being in my teens before I ever heard the nasty word- but our women here reported that their children as young as 5 or 6 years were asking it... if this is "progress," please count me out.

2- then there were the childrens reactions- universal disgust and horror that "any Mommy could do that to her baby..."

3- but for me, the clincher was a brief exchange between two other women members-- they were talking about what their children remembered when they were in their wombs... one had asked her toddler
( who, she said, was not really talking yet- about 2 years old- "just babbles... )
she asked him:

"Do you remember what it was like being in Mommy's tummy?"

His answer chilled me to the bone, and still makes my hair stand on end. His reply?

"Wet..."

53 posted on 06/13/2006 2:14:15 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

No guest, only hubby who is doubtless lamenting the perspicuity of the kid.


54 posted on 06/13/2006 2:29:09 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: backhoe
"Wet..."

Unless that was the kid complaining that he had wet his diaper... I hope it wasn't that

55 posted on 06/13/2006 2:30:39 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Nat Hentoff is an atheist. But he knows common sense and was or is that rare bird: a genuine pro-life liberal.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

56 posted on 06/13/2006 2:31:29 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Maybe Hentoff didn't HAVE a clear "agenda" at that time? Abortion was permissible in many places well before Roe v. Wade.


57 posted on 06/13/2006 2:32:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Some states allowed abortion on certain occasions. But no state would have on its own, imposed an abortion on demand law. The Supreme Court helped ensure it would remain a contentious issue in American political life by preempting a decision about the issue through the political process.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

58 posted on 06/13/2006 2:35:03 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

It only has to happen "a little" before a kid would get curious.


59 posted on 06/13/2006 2:37:38 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Hentoff has always been intellectually honest, for a Lib.


60 posted on 06/13/2006 2:46:41 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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