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Attacks on John Kerry Discredited
Military.com ^ | June 19, 2006 | Wade Sanders

Posted on 06/19/2006 7:12:14 PM PDT by Phil Harmonic

There are those who are already so entrenched in their hatred of Kerry, that no official Navy records, no verified eye-witness testimony, no facts will every cause them to re-evaluate their point of view. However, I am assured that there are many who, regardless of their political background, are interested the facts and see knowledge as an evolutionary process, and who take the time to research their opinions and speak from a foundation of fact. It clearly is not necessary to like John Kerry, or agree with his record as a Senator, but it seems to me that a vicious attack on any man's integrity and honor deserves to be based on something other than lies and distortions. Well, here are some facts based on the official Navy record, Navy messages, the Navy archives, and the statements of witnesses who were really there.

(Excerpt) Read more at military.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: betrayal; fondalike; fraud; kerry; kerrybuttboy; kerryrecord; mrheinz; pantload; teresaspoodle; traitor; treason; wadesanders
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; All

101 posted on 06/20/2006 6:25:43 AM PDT by Gucho
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To: BenLurkin
What? Even after he went over to the other side?

If we used Sanders' standard, we would have to put up meorials to Benedict Arnold. He was and abolutely outstanding soldier until he decided to back Britain.

The Dems can tap dance all they want: When you compare Arnolf to Kerry, kerry ends up looking very, very bad.

102 posted on 06/20/2006 6:43:03 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (My other car is a Herkimer Battle Jitney.)
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To: Phil Harmonic
The SBVFT would have had much less impact if Kerry and his followers had not over reacted. What if his spokesman had said something to the effect, "Memories vary and the perspective of career military people [I know they weren't all career military] are often different than those of us who serve our terms [even if he hadn't] and got on with our lives. We'll just have to agree to disagree." All the caterwauling by the Kerristas only amplified and validated the charges. A simple dismissal might have worked better. The NYT/Boston Globe assault on the SBVTF only convinced people that they had hit a nerve.
103 posted on 06/20/2006 6:43:09 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: bitt

Kerry was a weasel then, and he's a weasel now. Doesn't Wade take that into account either?


104 posted on 06/20/2006 6:59:04 AM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Cowardice can take many forms, and Kerry possesses them all!


105 posted on 06/20/2006 7:14:55 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (If you got Sowell, you got Soul !)
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To: secretagent
Did Sanders "disappear" the NCIS report on Winter Soldiers?

Somebody apparently did...

106 posted on 06/20/2006 7:41:17 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Phil Harmonic

Wade Sanders is a lawyer and democratic operative that lives in San Deigo. His motives are that he thinks he would be sec of defense under a kerry admin. He fancies himself quite the intellectual.....I have his phone number some place.....in that I had a nice battle with him during the election.


107 posted on 06/20/2006 7:48:24 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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To: Sisku Hanne
"band of brothers"

Sorry, but from the first time I heard this phrase, all I could think was: Banda Brothers (http://www.bandabros.com/)

Just thought I'd pass along my affliction so I don't feel so alone.
108 posted on 06/20/2006 8:19:54 AM PDT by Fry_Daddy
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To: basalt

Don't forget, it was Seared, seared into his memory.


109 posted on 06/20/2006 8:27:25 AM PDT by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

"...I find any attack on any veteran who has honorably served distasteful..."

Nice turn of phrase, Mister Wade.

May I take it to indicate that your buddy kerry has scheduled the press conference to recant his "Winter Soldier" testimony to Congress?

....Or to reopen the hearings on the status of the MIA's?


110 posted on 06/20/2006 8:30:06 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet (I can't really accept a welcome home until the last MIA does.)
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To: mystery-ak

He can't do that. IT would show that he was given a General Discharge under less than honorable conditions in the early 70s for his on-duty participation in anti-war activities. His discharge was not 'cleared' until the 80s under amnesty via Jimmuh Cahrterrrrrs edict.....


111 posted on 06/20/2006 8:31:56 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: stephenjohnbanker

some questions for Mr Kerry..

1. Mr. Kerry you spent 20 years in the Senate with no signature legislative achievements. What do you consider to be the five most important pieces of legislation that you've authored?
a. What's the most important piece of legislation regarding intelligence you've authored?
b. What's the most important piece of antiterrorism legislation you've authored?
c. What's the most important piece of health-care legislation you've authored?
d. What's the most important piece of education legislation you've authored?
2. It's been widely reported that John McCain was your first choice as running mate. If true, why did you prefer Senator McCain to Senator Edwards?
3. Earlier this year you told Tim Russert that you'd release all of your military records, yet you've failed to do so and you refuse to release your Vietnam journal. Why shouldn't the public infer that the contents of these documents would undermine your credibility or otherwise damage your candidacy?
a. When will you release the documents?
4. You've stated that you believe that life begins at conception yet you voted against the ban on partial-birth abortions. At precisely what point is a life worth protecting?
a. Is there any limitation on abortion (waiting periods, parental notification) for which you'd vote? If so, what?
5. You've promised to repeal much of the Bush tax cut and while in the Senate you voted to raise taxes an average of five times per year. If current economic trends remain largely unchanged during a Kerry presidency, would you seek additional tax increases?
a. How would you raise taxes and what are the highest marginal tax rates that you'd support?
6. You opposed the 1991 Gulf War even though Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, had invaded another country, and France and Germany had supported the war. In the current conflict no WMDs have been found, France and Germany oppose the action, and Saddam hadn't invaded another country. Yet you recently stated that knowing what you know now, you'd nonetheless authorize the use of force — even though you voted against funding it. Could you please reconcile these positions?
7. You acknowledge meeting with representatives of North Vietnam and the Viet Cong in Paris in 1970. Afterward you urged Congress to accept the North Vietnamese proposals. Please explain how this wasn't a violation of the Logan Act and, if you were still in the Naval Reserves at that time, how it wasn't a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice prohibiting unauthorized communications with the enemy.
8. In several speeches before black audiences you've stated that a million African Americans were disenfranchised and had their votes stolen in the 2000 presidential election. There are no official or media investigations that support that statement. What evidence do you have to support the statement and if you believe a million blacks had their votes stolen, why haven't you called for criminal prosecutions and congressional investigations?
9. Do you dispute the National Journal's assessment that you're the nation's most liberal senator? If you do, which senators do you consider to be more liberal and why?
10. Why did you propose cutting the intelligence budget by $6 billion in 1994?
11. As president, would you nominate anyone to be either an attorney general, FBI director, or CIA director who had been a leader and chief spokesman for a group that had discussed and voted upon a plan to assassinate U.S. senators (even if the proposed nominee had opposed such plan)?
12. You have consistently stated that you "never, never" attended the November 1971 Kansas City meeting of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War at which a plan to assassinate six pro-military U.S. senators was discussed. Several newspapers reported that when confronted with FBI surveillance reports, your campaign "all but conceded" that you were in attendance , but claimed that this was a mere "footnote in history."
a. Were you there?
b. Did you discuss the assassination of U.S. senators? What did you say?
c. Did you vote upon such a plan? How did you vote? Were any similar plans discussed by your group at any time? What were they?
d. If the plan was voted down, what steps did you take to insure that supporters of the plan didn't carry it out anyway?
e. Especially considering that this took place in an era of political assassinations and assassination attempts (Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr., George Wallace, etc.), did you report the discussion to any law-enforcement authorities? If not, why not?
f. When did you resign from the organization?
g. Do you dispute reports that you continued as a spokesman for the organization for more than a year after the Kansas City meeting?
h. If this was a mere footnote in history why have you repeatedly and vehemently denied you were there?
i. Did your campaign, as alleged in several newspaper accounts, attempt to get a witness to change his story about your attendance?
13. You have criticized the Patriot Act. What portions would you repeal or amend and why? What evidence do you have of any abuses of the Patriot Act?
14. As president, what would you do about Iran's emerging nuclear capability?
15. During your eight-year tenure on the Senate Intelligence Committee you missed more than thee fourths of all public meetings. It's also been reported that you have skipped or delayed receiving intelligence briefings during the campaign. Why should the public believe that you're serious about this issue?
16. What do you think is appropriate punishment for guards (and their superiors) found guilty of prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib? Do you believe they should be stripped of command and receive dishonorable discharges and prison time?
17. On May 6, 2001, on Meet the Press, you stated that you had committed "the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers" in violation of the Geneva Convention. Specifically, you said you burned villages and "used 50-calibre machine guns, which [you] were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people."
a. Who ordered you to use 50-caliber machine guns on people?
b. How many people did you shoot with the 50s and how many of them were killed or wounded?
c. When and where did these shootings occur?
d. What other atrocities did you commit and when?
e. Which village(s) did you burn down and when?
f. Were any of your crewmembers present during the commission of any of these atrocities?
g. Did you order them to participate in the atrocities? Did they follow your orders?
h. Why were there no reports of these atrocities? Did you order your crew not to report them?
i. Are any of these incidents described in your Vietnam journal? If not, why not?
j. Did you observe thousands of (or any) other troops committing atrocities? When, where and what kind? Did you report them? If not, why not?
k. In light of your admitted atrocities, if Abu Ghraib guards found guilty of abuse should receive prison time and be stripped of command, why do you believe you should be considered for commander-in-chief?
18. Who among the justices currently sitting on the Supreme Court would be a model for your nominees to the federal bench? Why?
19. In a speech before Drake University Law School you characterized U.S. allies in the war in Iraq as "some trumped-up so-called Coalition of the bribed, the coerced, the bought and the extorted,..." Do you maintain that Great Britain has been bribed, coerced, bought, or extorted? What about Italy? Japan? Poland? Please specifically identify those members of the Coalition that have been either bribed, coerced, bought, and extorted and the officials who were bribed or bought.


112 posted on 06/20/2006 8:43:18 AM PDT by edzo4
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To: BenLurkin
As a Swift Boat combat veteran, I find any attack on any veteran who has honorably served distasteful . . ."

Does that include Lee Harvey Oswald?
113 posted on 06/20/2006 9:13:24 AM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: edzo4

Excellent composition, and ALL those questions will, undoubtedly, be answered by an inquisitive press corps at John Kerry's next open-ended press gathering.


114 posted on 06/20/2006 9:13:45 AM PDT by Phil Harmonic
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To: mystery-ak

>>He still hasn't released his 180.....unredacted please<<

Yup. When we see that, maybe then we can talk. ;)


115 posted on 06/20/2006 9:14:30 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: Phil Harmonic

forgot to credit the author

http://nationalreview.com/comment/kirsanow200408260833.asp


116 posted on 06/20/2006 11:09:35 AM PDT by edzo4
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To: Phil Harmonic

Unfortunate that this person has grabbed the URL Military. com


117 posted on 06/20/2006 1:38:55 PM PDT by Libertina (Our troops are INNOCENT until proven otherwise. I'll take their word over the enemy's any day!)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

'who has honorably served '

why listen any further....


118 posted on 06/20/2006 2:08:40 PM PDT by bitt ("Land of the Free, because of the Brave...")
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To: edzo4

nice list. I have saved it for the day he comes out to speak with his constituents...harhar...we only hear he is in town AFTER he has left....


119 posted on 06/20/2006 2:10:41 PM PDT by bitt ("Land of the Free, because of the Brave...")
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To: Pukin Dog
Image hosted by Photobucket.com Absolutely... nobody.
120 posted on 06/20/2006 3:31:48 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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