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PG&E tries 'smart' meters: Remote readings part of plan to link power rates to time
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 6/20/6 | David R. Baker

Posted on 06/20/2006 10:22:48 AM PDT by SmithL

In the not-too-distant future, your home's electric bill could be based on when you use power, not just how much you consume.

State energy regulators are scheduled to vote in July on a $1.7 billion plan by Pacific Gas and Electric Co. to install new meters and meter-reading equipment that would allow the utility to track electricity and natural gas usage with far more precision than it can today.

As part of the plan, PG&E would let small businesses and residential customers try a new way of paying for power. Those who volunteer would receive a lower rate in return for agreeing to use less energy at times when electricity demand is at its highest -- typically, hot summer days when air conditioners are running full-blast.

An administrative law judge reviewing the plan for the California Public Utilities Commission recommended late last week that commissioners approve it. A public hearing and vote is scheduled July 20.

San Francisco's PG&E considers the new equipment a way to boost customer service.

The SmartMeters are read remotely. Meter readers would no longer need access to a home or apartment building to check usage.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: energy; pgande
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1 posted on 06/20/2006 10:22:51 AM PDT by SmithL
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They could really find out a lot about you through your use of energy.

If the monitoring is very specific, it's like opening a new window into your private life.

2 posted on 06/20/2006 10:25:57 AM PDT by capt. norm (W.C. Fields: "The time has come to take the bull by the tail and face the situation".)
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To: SmithL

The Unions are not going to like these meters.


3 posted on 06/20/2006 10:26:32 AM PDT by skimask (People who care what you do don't matter.......People who matter don't care what you do.)
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To: SmithL
BGE of Maryland did this years ago. I am not sure if it still does. They were called "time of day" meters. You would pay more per kWh during peak times, ie: between 10am and 6pm or so. The idea was to get you to do your laundry and dishes in the slower demand times for a lower (normal) rate. This applied to ALL new service. You had no option.
4 posted on 06/20/2006 10:28:59 AM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: SmithL
Might have some merit if PG&E would absorb 50%, or so, of the cost of the meters.
5 posted on 06/20/2006 10:30:14 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: SmithL

But if you do this with internet usage you are considered evil.

The eco-left will love this.


6 posted on 06/20/2006 10:30:35 AM PDT by weegee (happy holidays and seasons greetings...)
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To: SmithL

This would be a penalty for senior retirees, stay at home moms, the disabled etc.

Peak hours is when the above use their services most, from ACs to washing machines.


7 posted on 06/20/2006 10:32:30 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: SmithL

Demand side energy use surcharges on the way.

Just like commercial accounts.


8 posted on 06/20/2006 10:38:28 AM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: ansel12
This would be a penalty for senior retirees, stay at home moms, the disabled etc. Peak hours is when the above use their services most, from ACs to washing machines.

No kidding. With our large family we do the laundry whenever we get around to it, sometimes several times in a day. Sometimes we just have a laundry day.

The damn socialists want to cram us all into their little predetermined molds, whether it's our driving habits or the garbage we use. It's all so freeking Orwellian.

9 posted on 06/20/2006 10:38:50 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: SmithL
The SmartMeters are read remotely. Meter readers would no longer need access to a home or apartment building to check usage.

I just had one of these installed for my gas meter (total usage only, not time of day as far as I know). It is nice knowing that I won't be getting any more nasty notes from the gas company that they'll cut off my gas if I don't schedule a time to let them in to read the meter.

10 posted on 06/20/2006 10:41:03 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Never ask a Kennedy if he'll have another drink. It's nobody's business how much he's had already.)
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Just go off the grid, quite feasible now a days..


11 posted on 06/20/2006 10:42:43 AM PDT by PissAndVinegar
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To: SmithL
your home's electric bill could be based on when you use power, not just how much you consume.

Ours already is, and has been for over 13 years. "Time of Day" metering, they call it. It's completely optional; the electric company charges us an extra $2/month for the smart meter. In return, we pay 50% of the standard rate during the off-peak period, which is all weekend and every night from 8 PM to 7 AM (one hour later during DST). The on-peak rate is 145% of the standard rate.

In all the years we've had it, we've saved money on every monthly electric bill. The only thing we do differently is to avoid running the dishwasher—which heats its own water—during the on-peak period.

12 posted on 06/20/2006 10:45:40 AM PDT by newgeezer
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To: SmithL

This is a good thing. The most medical problems with meter readers is dog bites and bee and wasp stings.

The price of electricity IS tied to need. The more companies need power, the price goes up, way up. In the evenings the price goes down.

Some use pump storage. They pump water to an upper lake at night when prices are low and release it through turbines when prices are high.

With this new metering system, the power company can tell when you have been using low or high priced electricity and bill you accordingly.


13 posted on 06/20/2006 10:46:15 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: hophead
That's off-peak metering sometimes called "Day-Night" metering.

The new types of metering being proposed(not sure about this specific case) will actually modulate prices during specific times of day coinciding with the amount of use to arrive at a specific price for energy demand or a demand surcharge.

This has been done with commercial accounts for a number of years now. I see they are attempting to push it down to the residential user now.

I have heard that in some European countries, the power company would actually turn on your major appliance remotely when the amount of power on the grid was sufficient to do so. The power company directly managed their demand.
14 posted on 06/20/2006 10:46:16 AM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: headstamp

In Europe, and to a lesser degree here, the utilities have the rights to remotely control appliances -- its called "direct load control" -- more of the wave of the past than the future.

Emerging in this country are market-based mechanisms that allow the consumer to make an informed, sometimes automated decision to reduce load during peak power.

There is a great podcast at InfoWorld this week on the subject. http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2006/06/16.html


15 posted on 06/20/2006 10:56:04 AM PDT by staylowandkeepmoving
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To: hophead

I also did this many years ago in PA. I didn't like it at first, but had no choice because my landlord had set it up that way. But I grew to like it.


16 posted on 06/20/2006 10:56:47 AM PDT by twigs
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To: ElkGroveDan

"No kidding. With our large family we do the laundry whenever we get around to it, sometimes several times in a day. Sometimes we just have a laundry day."




So many ideas today seem to be thought up by people without traditional families.

Talk about micro managing the citizens lives.





17 posted on 06/20/2006 10:58:19 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: SmithL

So, what about filling up a "holding tank" every night at midnight...


18 posted on 06/20/2006 10:59:43 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: hophead

I can see this with electricity, but not with gas. This must be specifically about gas.


19 posted on 06/20/2006 11:00:48 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: hophead

I can see this with electricity, but not with gas. This must be specifically about gas.

Oops. I mean electricity.


20 posted on 06/20/2006 11:01:08 AM PDT by RobRoy
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