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Cannon-Jacob primary race getting national attention over immigration debate
ABC 4 ^ | 24 JUNE 2006 | ABC 4

Posted on 06/26/2006 7:03:57 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

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To: CWOJackson
I'm amazed at the level of insanity that people are descending into around here.
21 posted on 06/26/2006 7:49:00 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: CWOJackson

Yes, I think the election has become more about sending a message, as opposed to any of the gritty little details, and that in the end, may or may not push Jacob over the top, although probably not. As a wild speculative guess, I give Jacob about a 20% chance to win. Beyond sending a message, which of course does have importance, will Jacob have any importance about anything? No.


22 posted on 06/26/2006 7:51:55 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie

You never "send messages" in elections. You elect representatives who have the responsibility of the vast Federal bureaucracy on their heads. The only way you can "send a message" in an election is in a nonbinding referendum.

And it is certainly the business of Utah voters. I think you will find that the anti-Cannon support was quite overblown.

Kinda like the juggernaut that was the Jim Gilchrist candidacy.


23 posted on 06/26/2006 7:52:41 PM PDT by AmishDude (I am the King Nut.)
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To: Texasforever

I don't think it matters who I support. I can't vote in Utah's elections.

Make a deal with the devil? Nope. Just that hope springs eternal. Making a sacrificial lamb out of a congressional seat.

The rest of you taking this personally is actually quite funny.


24 posted on 06/26/2006 7:52:52 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (My head hurts.)
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To: Torie
It is for the folks or Provo and some Salt Lake City suburbs to work out.

Exactly!
Torie, much of this 'harping' is due to the anti-immigration people painting Cannon supporters as "open borders". None of us are. Nor is Cannon.

25 posted on 06/26/2006 7:54:14 PM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: VeniVidiVici
The rest of you taking this personally is actually quite funny.

Hell yes I take it personally. Jacobs is just a hapless stooge to Tom Tancredo who is making a career of stabbing great conservatives in the back in his quest to be top dog in congressional internal politics. He is a snake. I am more interested inn retaining conservatives in the GOP not purging them for Tancredo stooges.

26 posted on 06/26/2006 7:55:30 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: CWOJackson
I GUARANTEE you that late on Tuesday or early on Wednesday there will be a Jacob-lost-but-actually-won thread.

That is a very nice post of yours. Very informative.

27 posted on 06/26/2006 7:55:41 PM PDT by AmishDude (I am the King Nut.)
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To: Torie

I think in the final analysis the message it will send isn't the one the border folks are hoping for. Will it bring into focus their issue or their inability to impact an election despite their best efforts?


28 posted on 06/26/2006 7:56:25 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: AmishDude

Message sending can be quite important, and effective. It made Joe McCarthy into a natonal figure, who was feared, when he bagged some senator from Maryland, and caused him to lose, back before rocks cooled. I thought Gilchirst had zero chance of winning, and so posted (although I thought he had a remote chance of helping the Dem get elected, which of course did not happen, with the large margin of failure by team Gilchirst and the Dem in part, but only in part, because Gilchirst got some Dem votes in the General). Jacob is not in that category.


29 posted on 06/26/2006 7:57:09 PM PDT by Torie
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To: CWOJackson
I'm not sure how much this is a legitimate campaign for a candidate or just another bumbling effort by the buchanan's to exert influence. What will be interesting is how this will impact their future efforts should their last choice "candidate" loose.

Amen.

And as for impact, they'll spin it into "how close they got". They'll never win, thankfully, but they won't go away.... Too much money to be made!

30 posted on 06/26/2006 7:57:59 PM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Texasforever
I wonder if the buchanan's have given any thought about how the same tactics can be used on their favorite son?
31 posted on 06/26/2006 7:58:30 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

I think if Jacob runs close it will have an impact (particularly given that to most on the fruited plain, Jacob seems to be quite the empty vessel kook, and so it must have been the immigration issue that propelled him forward), but of course an outright win by Jacob would have a far greater impact.


32 posted on 06/26/2006 7:59:28 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Chris Cannon has been justly humiliated by being forced to the wall in a primary race against a political novice in the most conservative congressional district in the nation.

Even if he squeaks out a win, the war isn't over by a long shot. The day after the election he will be challenged afresh. Conservatives and party faithful in the Third District will not rest until he is out of the game for good.

33 posted on 06/26/2006 7:59:31 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: CWOJackson
I think in the final analysis the message it will send isn't the one the border folks are hoping for. Will it bring into focus their issue or their inability to impact an election despite their best efforts?

That is exactly why Hastert has decided to punt the issue. He can read polls and the public is more inclined to support Bush's stance but Hastert knows that the borderbots would go crazy if a bill like the Pence bill was passed and signed. So he is just going to allow the status quo to continue. If Tancredo had his way the GOP would never have more than 10% of the Hispanic vote and Hastert know that.

34 posted on 06/26/2006 8:00:13 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Torie

Jacob has more sense than you do.


35 posted on 06/26/2006 8:00:19 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Rex Anderson

Didn't they try that with the Bilbray campaign?


36 posted on 06/26/2006 8:00:20 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: JCEccles

How ya doing JC? What's shakin'? Best.


37 posted on 06/26/2006 8:01:33 PM PDT by Torie
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To: CWOJackson

It would be the most cruel case of poetic justice to see Tancredo lose in November due to his lack of attention to his own district.


38 posted on 06/26/2006 8:03:28 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Recent polls show Cannon with a slight edge, but with enough undecided voters to keep Jacob within striking distance. At this point, pollsters believe the race is too close to call.

It is a statistical dead heat with the difference being the margin of error. That is simply amazing given that Cannon has the weight of the establishment Republican apparatus and the President behind him. That and he's outspending Jacob by at least 2 to 1. That's what you get when you are a Republican in a strong Republican district and you vote for amnesty every chance you get and then you lie about it to your consituents.

39 posted on 06/26/2006 8:09:53 PM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Texasforever
Tancredo has a district?

Well, I guess he would have to, wouldn't he?

40 posted on 06/26/2006 8:11:19 PM PDT by AmishDude (I am the King Nut.)
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