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Marijuana Fight Envelops Fisherman's Wharf (San Fran)
The New York Times from Drudge ^ | July 3, 2006 | JESSE McKINLEY

Posted on 07/03/2006 10:38:13 AM PDT by A CA Guy

SAN FRANCISCO, July 3 — The newest attraction planned for Fisherman's Wharf, San Francisco's most popular tourist destination, has no sign, no advertisements and not even a scrap of sourdough. Yet everyone seems to think that the new business, the Green Cross, will be a hit, drawing customers from all over the region to sample its aromatic wares.

For some, that is exactly the problem.

"The city is saturated with pot clubs," said T. Wade Randlett, the president of SF SOS, a quality-of-life group that opposes the planned club. "Fisherman's Wharf is a tourism attraction, and this is not the kind of tourism we're trying to attract."

Emboldened by a series of regulations passed last fall by the city's Board of Supervisors, some neighborhoods are resisting new marijuana dispensaries, which they say attract crime and dealers bent on reselling the drugs. In the debate over the new rules last year, several neighborhoods successfully lobbied to be exempted from having new clubs.

Other neighborhoods managed to get clubs shuttered, including a previous version of the Green Cross, which was forced out of a storefront in the city's Mission District after neighbors said they had seen a rise in drug dealing, traffic problems and petty crime, a charge the Green Cross denies.

And while the law was passed with seriously ill patients in mind, like those with AIDS and cancer, some critics say that now even people with commonplace aches and pains can get a doctor's recommendation.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: California
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To: xpertskir; robertpaulsen
"Is that you robertpaulsen?"

I've been here longer, but if they are so wonderful a member that they could be mistaken for me by my posts, I am sure they feel complimented. LOL

61 posted on 07/03/2006 1:25:06 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: RobRoy
Murder involves more than one person.

Most times drugs also involve more than one person and often we later all pay in hospital, rehab and burial bills.

62 posted on 07/03/2006 1:27:10 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
"Why do you believe someone else has more standing than you do in deciding what side of the road you drive on? Why would you let someone else, at the point of a gun, tell you which streetlights you must stop or drive through?"

Because the obvious safety of others is preserved by a simple, non-invasive agreement on convention. It does not lead to wrong-address, no-knock armed invasions buy jack-booted LEO thugs and a general savaging of the bill of rights costing me 50 billion and still counting and over-flowing prisons which breed gang violence the pours back onto the streets with no measurable advantage or benefit flowing to the tax-payers.

The difference between my question and your unworkable analogy should be obvious. Isn't it?

63 posted on 07/03/2006 1:27:31 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: A CA Guy

>>Most times drugs also involve more than one person and often we later all pay in hospital, rehab and burial bills.<<

Ah, I see you have watched Reefer Madness.


64 posted on 07/03/2006 1:28:26 PM PDT by RobRoy (The Internet is about to do to Evolution what it did to Dan Rather. Information is power.)
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To: A CA Guy
I think you have the perfect attitude for someone who wishes to live in a private island, but if you want to live in a populated area, you are going to be more so limited by the laws governing the populated areas.

I really hate that sort of argument because it gives people an easy excuse to play dictator and that's bullcrap.

We are all living on private islands to a degree. The most private is our own body. Then our homes. Then our towns. Then our cities. Then our states.

They all have their own rules.

You want nationalize all those private places and declare them all one giant public place that you can regulate and control.

Fact is, many cities in CA would like to legalize pot, and that's their right. People from other places should just mind their own damn business.

65 posted on 07/03/2006 1:30:42 PM PDT by mc6809e
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To: A CA Guy
If they were getting high at home with kids, of course if they were watching the kids then Children's Services would need to remove the kids from the home as an unsafe environment.

You show an ignominious tendency to support thuggery and gum't control. I guess you would prefer them to be placed into foster care where they can be abused, raped, beaten, or worse. That is pathetic!

I perceive an absolute ignorance of life, as it really occurs... outside your doors! You think it is all about you! You type like one of the sheeple willingly being led to the slaughter.

The FDA already said no to solvents, glue sniffing, pot and other drugs because they pose a danger to society in general.

Need I say more?

66 posted on 07/03/2006 1:32:01 PM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: RobRoy
We had all drugs maybe once because we lived in primitive times and there was little research into these drugs long ago.
There was a time when you road your vehicle on the same one side of the road because one lane was all there was and people had to get off to let others pass. Things progress and we came up with more information on drugs.

The FDA figured pot was a dangerous drug for recreation and too weak for most medical uses. It is only allowed to the most sick and recreational use was widely banned just like sniffing glue.

The concept of do anything you feel like is not so much based in the Constitution as it is IMO anarchy and old hippies.

67 posted on 07/03/2006 1:35:58 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Maybe for you the whole point of alcohol and some other stuff is to get a buzz, but many just have a bit of wine with dinner for their health since it is a blood thinner and has other medical purposes on the light use side.

I must be hanging out with the wrong crowd.

Does caffeine give you a buzz? That is also a new one to me.

The kind I do does. On my way to Montana I was getting tired after a meal. Stopped and got a French-Vanilla Cappucino and had trouble slowing down even at Midnight. Do not drink them alot but they buzz me when I do. For me it is more than just being more alert.
68 posted on 07/03/2006 1:37:47 PM PDT by microgood (Truth is not contingent)
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To: A CA Guy
"An ounce of marijuana will sell for $300"

Who was it that said, "Make it legal and the price will drop dramatically"? That's $300 without any tax! You can get it cheaper illegally!

What's really funny is watching California try to collect a sales tax on a product they say is illegal to sell.

"Under the new policy passed by the state Board of Equalization, businesses can get what is known as a sellers permit, allowing them to collect sales tax, without indicating whether their merchandise is lawful to sell. Like the federal government, the state Board of Equalization considers any kind of marijuana sale to be unlawful. "

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

69 posted on 07/03/2006 1:44:42 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: muir_redwoods
Would have been better for you to put what I was responding to above my quote to see the context of the appropriate post.

For the safety of others, we ban recreational drugs. It ruins lives, families, costs us money in hospitals, rehab and burials.

As far as your seeming loathing of the police, don't you get that they can make mistakes in good faith once in a while?
If they do real harm they compensate, but that is very rare. If it were bad more often we'd have the druggies post every one of the stories here on FR.

I like no-knock to be in effect whenever there is suspicion of criminal activity where there is possible guns behind the door. I do not think the police have to commit suicide by law to defend us.

Over flowing prisons are a great indication IMO of failing families and what single parent households have helped contribute to in modern society.
It also says volumes about our problems with illegals since over a third in prison are NOT Americans.
70 posted on 07/03/2006 1:45:26 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: microgood
French-Vanilla Cappuccino

Yep, when you posted that to me, I do remember the contents of the caffeine is pretty high in some of that stuff and people have had some bad effects with it. Bet some lawsuits over that as well.

Do they dose the caffeine up or is it the mixture of the whole blend do you think? You get someone with blood pressure or heart problems and the Cappuccino could be a real big problem indeed. That is a lot worse situation that being wide awake.

71 posted on 07/03/2006 1:50:38 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Do they dose the caffeine up or is it the mixture of the whole blend do you think?

Its mostly caffeine but there is a lot of sugar as well. Luckily I do not have the blood pressure or heart issues, but I could see where it would cause problems.
72 posted on 07/03/2006 1:55:35 PM PDT by microgood (Truth is not contingent)
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To: robertpaulsen

This whole thing seems to be a mess.

First you have (I guess) activist doctors getting this pot to people with minor conditions.

You have what sounds like too many pot shops opening up around the state.

We've had robberies regarding some of these places and drug dealers taking up positions around such pot stores to try and sell customers and other additional drugs.

With some of these shops in tourist areas, you get dealers now approaching tourists that woun't come back.

The taxation side is the least of the problem and you bet they won't try to add big taxes to this smoke like they did tobacco.

I think they need to have state or government approved doctors to review the people and doctors involved in getting the pot.
They have to weed out (a little joke) the pot activist doctors and forbid them from participating in this area.

The shops should maybe be one every twelve or more miles in an industrial part of town at most.


73 posted on 07/03/2006 1:57:39 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: microgood

Oh wow, that is exactly it. You get the worst of both worlds.

Blood sugar goes crazy with the sugar and the caffeine makes the heart race.

I don't know how long ago you got that, but I bet they are aware of the combo being dangerous an are using stuff that still tastes rich that are lite in sugar and caffeine now.


74 posted on 07/03/2006 2:05:22 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Mountain Dew: Now Available Without A Prescription!

"Until recently, Mountain Dew in Canada was caffeine-free, which would make it virtually useless to Devoted Husband, who prefers his morning Dew as a pick-me-up rather than the more traditional black coffee. Canada has regulations on ..." - Glog...

Young Canadians used to drive over and party in farm fields late into the night...with a Mountain Dew "Buzz"! People will always seek what they want for themselves, regardless of the obstacles placed by others.

"That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinions of others, to do so would be wise, or even right. These are good reasons for remonstrating with him, or reasoning with him, or persuading him, or entreating him, but not for compelling him, or visiting him with any evil, in case he do otherwise." - John Stuart Mill - On Liberty - 1869

75 posted on 07/03/2006 2:17:15 PM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: pageonetoo
Young Canadians used to drive over and party in farm fields late into the night...with a Mountain Dew "Buzz"! People will always seek what they want for themselves, regardless of the obstacles placed by others.

Yep, Mountain Dew is nasty and I could never stand for more than a sip.
I think the company might be sued to hell and back because if you are offering a product with lots of caffeine and sugar to the point it wreaks havoc with your system it's going to get noticed with the lawyers. If they sell it in two liter bottles, that probably will be seen in court some day. Good catch!

Remember Jolt Cola? Twice the caffeine and all that! Pulled from the market I think.

76 posted on 07/03/2006 2:22:17 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

The FDA is less reliable even than the DMC. What they say is completely irrelevant.


77 posted on 07/03/2006 2:27:44 PM PDT by RobRoy (The Internet is about to do to Evolution what it did to Dan Rather. Information is power.)
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To: RobRoy
They seem to be what regulates everything now.

Your opinion of them won't change the facts, and banning the glue sniffing and other stuff doesn't seem off the mark at all.
78 posted on 07/03/2006 2:32:35 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: RobRoy

Also looks like the ruling in court could close these shops down, at least from what I read.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1658914/posts


79 posted on 07/03/2006 2:33:41 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: xpertskir
"pro-drug crowd"

AKA "limited government intervention and freedom club"

Nope first is accurate. In the 60's and 70's the libertarians advocated legalizing drugs with the caveat that intoxicant use is never a mitigating factor for the defendant in legal or civil cases. In fact recreational drug use proves intent since users intentionally impair their own judgment.

Advocating legalized drug use without underscoring this responsibility for users as part of the package is indeed "pro-drug crowd". Feel free to try to debate this point by point.

80 posted on 07/03/2006 2:42:58 PM PDT by MrEdd (Bad spellers of the world - UNTIE!,)
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